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Brexit Discussion Thread VI

johnnyskeleton

Hi folks, as Theresa May has won the vote of no confidence and we are heading into Brexit day early next year, I thought for the new thread people might give their summary of their views on Brexit to date before we get into the more day to day discussions.

So what do you think about what has happened so far? Who has come off well, who has come off badly?

Where do you think Brexit is going? What is going to be the likely impact on Ireland, Northern Ireland, the rest of the U.K. and the E.U. respectively?

Both this thread and the Mark V thread will remain open simultaneously for the next day or so and Mark V will be closed as it gets closer to the server busting 10,000 mark. Hopefully we can set down a solid foundation now for a top quality thread to come!

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Strazdas

downcow wrote: »

And great to recognise the close relationships. We are not leaving Europe. We are leaving the eu

What does that actually mean though? If you're rejecting the EU and all it stands for, you're pretty much rejecting 'Europe' as well.

I don't think I'm misrepresenting this either. Brexiteers say they are disgusted by the EU flag and anthem and the concept of EU citizenship.

murphaph

downcow wrote: »

And great to recognise the close relationships. We are not leaving Europe. We are leaving the eu

This line which comes straight from the Brexiters handbook always amused me as it's leave types who always referred to the EU as "Europe" or "Brussels".

murphaph

kunst nugget wrote: »

Anyone watch the London fireworks display? Some very EU touches thrown into it, I thought. A snippet of Serge Gainsbourg's Je T'aime, U2's Vertigo with it's Spanish/Portuguese count-in and the French National anthem snippet from the Beatles All You Need is Love.

I watched it (boring old farts we are) and remarked to the missus that next year they'd be handing out sparklers instead. It's really weird to think this is the last time London will ring in the new year as an EU capital.

murphaph

EdgeCase wrote: »

It reminds me of the Irish print media in 2007/8 when we were all going to have a soft landing and anyone who said otherwise was just being hysterical or talking down the economy.

That's a good analogy really. People who had invested in property simply did not want to even countenance that the bubble was about to burst. It's similar insofar as leave voters genuinely don't want to believe they made a terrible mistake so the head goes into the sand.

foxyladyxx

downcow wrote: »

And great to recognise the close relationships. We are not leaving Europe. We are leaving the eu

Apologies .. but I wonder if many feel like I do?

It is good riddance!!

road_high

downcow wrote: »

And great to recognise the close relationships. We are not leaving Europe. We are leaving the eu

which means jack **** without the ability to trade freely tariff free without regulatory impediments.
Sounds like a statement straight of the ERG book of Brexit catchphrases!

downcow

kunst nugget wrote: »

Anyone watch the London fireworks display? Some very EU touches thrown into it, I thought. A snippet of Serge Gainsbourg's Je T'aime, U2's Vertigo with it's Spanish/Portuguese count-in and the French National anthem snippet from the Beatles All You Need is Love.

And great to recognise the close relationships. We are not leaving Europe. We are leaving the eu

downcow

SNIP. Please don't just paste links here.

kunst nugget

Anyone watch the London fireworks display? Some very EU touches thrown into it, I thought. A snippet of Serge Gainsbourg's Je T'aime, U2's Vertigo with it's Spanish/Portuguese count-in and the French National anthem snippet from the Beatles All You Need is Love.

EdgeCase

road_high wrote: »

Headline is equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears and singing la la tunes.
You can’t just will away tariffs and trade barriers with positive thoughts!

It reminds me of the Irish print media in 2007/8 when we were all going to have a soft landing and anyone who said otherwise was just being hysterical or talking down the economy.

murphaph

RobMc59 wrote: »

The original post mentioned the DUP being loyal to lizzy windsor and I commented that as British citizens what's wrong with that?-I wasn't trying to be offensive.

Who mentioned offence? I just think you are trying to get a rise out of some posters here.

road_high

Strazdas wrote: »

I can only guess the British media are seriously failing their readers / viewers. Half the population think they won't be negatively impacted by Brexit in the slightest.

Headline is equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears and singing la la tunes.
You can’t just will away tariffs and trade barriers with positive thoughts!

Strazdas

I can only guess the British media are seriously failing their readers / viewers. Half the population think they won't be negatively impacted by Brexit in the slightest.

RobMc59

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Many people in Britain eat Brussels Sprouts at Xmas, what conclusion do you draw from that?

A very windy time!- but an Xmas dinner(sprouts included) with an ice cold Murphys is good.

Charles Babbage

RobMc59 wrote: »

The humble maris piper is very popular in Ireland I believe,so not all UK food is the work of the devil:)

Many people in Britain eat Brussels Sprouts at Xmas, what conclusion do you draw from that?

RobMc59

murphaph wrote: »

This must be trolling or else you slept through the troubles.

The original post mentioned the DUP being loyal to lizzy windsor and I commented that as British citizens what's wrong with that?-I wasn't trying to be offensive.

Infini

downcow wrote: »

I don’t have the time or the energy to respond to all that.

Standard Brexiteer response to being confronted with actual factual information: Deny Reality. Like I said in my other post predictions are not 100% but a significant majority have been accurate: Pound lost value, investment stalled etc.

You can deny and make all the arguments about how Brexit is great when its not in reality but the problem is you'll probably be the first kind of person to turn around and blame the EU and everyone else for your countries folly when the pound crashes, the economy gets rekt, people are rioting and the UK and Brexit will become synomymous with the "It's Happening" meme.

tuxy

murphaph wrote: »

This must be trolling or else you slept through the troubles.

Maybe it's Karen Bradley?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/ni-secretary-didn-t-realise-nationalists-don-t-vote-for-unionists-1.3621561

murphaph

RobMc59 wrote: »

No disrespect,but as British citizens isn't it normal for people from NI to be loyal to the Queen?

This must be trolling or else you slept through the troubles.

ArmaniJeanss

flutered wrote: »

one of its principals is a brother of lord bamford, i substantial tory donator, who gave 1m to support the brexiteers

Have read different reports about this, I'm not sure it's true. I think it's just a name co-incidence that this Seagrove Freight company has a Mark Bamford, different person.
The Bamford Brothers tend not to deal in such piddling amounts.

I don't think there's any corruption here, probably just the same level of incompetence and penny-pinching that saw Basil give the building work to O'Reilly builders.

zapitastas

road_high wrote: »

Try the section through Co Fermanagh! The N3 is a highway by comparison

I know it only too well. Trying to get through Virginia in cavan is the worst section though.

road_high

zapitastas wrote: »

Headed for Donegal, once you leave the dual carriageway outside kells and enter Ulster roads in cavan you are in for slow progress the rest of the journey. Definite move from a hare in Leinster to a snails pace in ulster

Try the section through Co Fermanagh! The N3 is a highway by comparison

flutered

one of its principals is a brother of lord bamford, i substantial tory donator, who gave 1m to support the brexiteers

Capt'n Midnight

briany wrote: »

It would be unpalatable to Remainers, never mind Brexiteers. That's why Mogg & co. are pushing so hard for an exit now. They know that the terms of re-entry will be unpalatable enough to the electorate that Brexit will be safe for at least a generation, and by the time you get to the next generation, they'll have grown up outside the EU and accept that as what is.

Will they ?

Continued austerity won't win hearts and minds.

Increased immigration from China and India won't win over the xenophobes.

Without good trade deals the only way the UK can make a profit is to reduce the overheads. Lower workers rights, lower standards, devaluing the pound.

There is nothing in Brexit for the Have Nots.

zapitastas

road_high wrote: »

They’re not that bad- bar Louth most of them haven’t warranted full Motorways but the other N routes have all been significantly upgraded. There is a lot of investment going into and planned for roads in donegal and Monaghan in particular.
Derry to Belfast for example would be full motorway a decade ago if it had been party of the south.

Headed for Donegal, once you leave the dual carriageway outside kells and enter Ulster roads in cavan you are in for slow progress the rest of the journey. Definite move from a hare in Leinster to a snails pace in ulster

bilston

unit 1 wrote: »

People say that the uk economy has not collapsed. While this may be true I think that it is because there in an underlying belief that they will stay in (amoung big business) , should the unthinkable happen however a very severe sharp shock could ensue that might be very difficult to quantify.

I know it's not you saying it but it really frustrates me when Brexiteers use the "economy hasn't collapsed yet" argument...the UK hasn't left the EU yet...Brexit hasn't happened...the worst is yet to come.

Of course job losses and the contraction of the UK economy won't be an overnight event either so no doubt Brexiteers will be able to pass the blame on to something or someone else should the economy tank over one year or two year period.

RobMc59

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

I dunno most UK labeled food I seen is highly processed ****e that one can do without

The humble maris piper is very popular in Ireland I believe,so not all UK food is the work of the devil:)

briany

unit 1 wrote: »

Secondly should they leave and it were to go pear shaped then it might be likely they might want to re enter at a later date. Re entry would entail joining the euro and shengen (am I right) which I imagine would be very unpalatable to brexiteers, so much so that an arguament could be made for staying to hold onto sterling and out of shengen.

It would be unpalatable to Remainers, never mind Brexiteers. That's why Mogg & co. are pushing so hard for an exit now. They know that the terms of re-entry will be unpalatable enough to the electorate that Brexit will be safe for at least a generation, and by the time you get to the next generation, they'll have grown up outside the EU and accept that as what is.

Capt'n Midnight

RobMc59 wrote: »

No disrespect,but as British citizens isn't it normal for people from NI to be loyal to the Queen?

yeah because every Labour voter is staunch monarchist too.

Interesting to find someone who claims to know less about NI than the current NI Secretary.

lawred2

downcow wrote: »

Yes, not nuetral anymore
How you can know what my feelings were 2 years ago is another quite remarkable insight you have.

Again listen to your own language. I just heard a presenter today having to admit that he was wrong to continually use the term ‘crash out’

It's fairly obvious from each and every one of your 'lady doth protest too much' type posts