CelticRambler wrote: » The Brits are paying the French to print their new Blue Passports; they're paying the French to process residents' permits; they're paying the French for their nuclear electricity; the French have just bought Gatwick; and now the Brits are paying the French to ferry them across the Channel. Never mind turning the clocks back to the Imperial Britain of the 1800s - it's starting to look like they really want to go all the way back to Norman times.
UsedToWait wrote: » It was 2013, and it was under the current Prime Minister's remit, And the vans did exist - though I'm guessing you knew that already.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/26/theresa-may-go-home-vans-operation-vaken-ukip
ThePanjandrum wrote: » Have you ever heard of quotas? They are one of the parts of the WTO schedules and have been divided between the EU and UK so apart from anything else, much of UK agriculture can be protected in this way so in many cases all that will be happening is that goods will be bought from the rest of the world rather than from the EU.
murphaph wrote: » You are oversimplifying things. If the UK is forced to throw the doors open to cheap food, its own agriculture sector will be wiped out overnight as it cannot compete on price. It also depends on what sort of food. Do you really expect a head of Australian lettuce to survive the journey as well as one from Spain? Countries trade with neighbours for a reason: it's cheaper to transport goods over shorter distances. The consumer is used to fresh food these days, not stuff pickled in the colonies and shipped home in a windjammer. In the event of a no deal Brexit in 3 months the UK will face food shortages in anything they normally import from the continent.
ThePanjandrum wrote: » Erm, those vans (which were years ago and probably never existed except as a photo-opportunity) were specifically aimed at illegal immigrants. Could you please explain to me why illegal immigrants should not be reminded that they have no right to be in a country and should leave? And if you are complaining about the cost to EU citizens of applying for the right to permanent residency (which the Irish do not have to apply for) then ask yourself how much it costs to apply to become an Irish Citizen or even to renew your passport. National Insurance numbers do not bestow residency rights, by the way. And I don't think reciprocal arrangements have been offered by many EU countries.
ThePanjandrum wrote: » Erm, those vans (which were years ago and probably never existed except as a photo-opportunity).
ThePanjandrum wrote: » UK agriculture has been badly affected by EU membership.
ThePanjandrum wrote: » The UK is a big importer of beef and dairy, which will protect the Northern Irish supplies but a net exporter of lamb.UK agriculture has been badly affected by EU membership.
Bit cynical wrote: » I thought the big worry was that the UK would not have enough food as the UK is a net importer of food. Now the big worry is that they will have a glut of food.
ThePanjandrum wrote: » Erm, those vans (which were years ago and probably never existed except as a photo-opportunity)
Tell me how wrote: » If they sent out vans with information on the side telling immigrants to go home or face arrest it can be taken as a given that they are no longer concerned about how they are perceived.
ArmaniJeanss wrote: » I'm guessing there'll be a few thousand not registered who'll be potential Windrushes. Not dodgy Eastern European cash-in-hand plumbers of tabloid infamy, but that nice Mrs Schmidt down the road who came over in '89, married a local man and had 4 kids but because hubby was working she never bothered getting a NI number. All the bills in his name as well so absolutely no way of proving she's been here 29 years.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » I'd be lying if I expected something positive to happen over the holidays but even expecting nothing, I was disappointed. What exactly is the objective of this £65? Is it a cash grab? Migrants already have to register for National Insurance so it's not a case of registering the previously unregistered. It seems like the sort of thing that the prospect of appearing callous might have prevented the Tory party from doing this before no longer impedes them.
Sam Russell wrote: » As will we. Frozen chips for the Irish market are made in the UK because we do not grow Maris Piper potatoes, favouring Roosters. In time, we will become much less dependent on processed food which is currently imported from the UK. While we have Tesco and the like, they will find it easier to import such foods into Ireland, but if there are significant import regulations and tariffs then they might change their supply arrangements. Aldi and Lidl will be more likely to use their German origins and import from Europe.
Igotadose wrote: » So little time left till Brexit and the politicians are off doing whatever. Like they earned an Xmas break? Corbyn's correct, bring them back to work early (Corby and correct is a very rare combination.)
ancapailldorcha wrote: » I'd be lying if I expected something positive to happen over the holidays but even expecting nothing, I was disappointed. .
Tell me how wrote: » If they sent out vans with information on the side telling immigrants to go home or face arrest it can be taken as a given that they are no longer concerned about how they are perceived. In fact, they are probably playing to a particular part of the electorate to strengthen their argument that they are acting. This tweet certainly shows that they are doing something to prepare for Brexit, it just so happens to be something many are repulsed by.
Igotadose wrote: » First Gatwick airport sold to the French. Now, 108 million sterling spent on additional ferrys in contracts with France, Denmark and Seaborne (UK ferry service).https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1229/1019448-brexit-ferries/
LeinsterDub wrote: » Isn't the point that it's actually both? The UK will have a glut of certain foods and a shortage of others as the transportation network breaks down?
Bit cynical wrote: » Yes, that is the point now. But earlier the worry was expressed that one of the big problems was that the UK importing sufficent food. This worry is now unwaranted apparently.
fash wrote: » I believe the worry on importing food relates to logistics: the UK food delivery system relies upon JIT food delivery and has no capacity to respond to the Customs and checking requirements imposed by a no deal brexit. That is only a short/medium term problem. The second problem is that by dropping tariffs barriers, the UK will destroy its own limited food production capacity making it entirely dependent on foreign food sources- which puts it in a very weak position if there is ever an international crisis affecting food supply. Other than those, there is no problem with food supply with brexit. (Quality of that supply may be a further headache though).
tuxy wrote: » Yes but the point was that they currently have single market access with the EU so they can sell large quantities of goods while buying all the food they need. Australia could offer loads of food to them while still making it difficult for them to sell exports. They won't starve but the worry is that Australia and other countries would take advantage of the problems caused by brexit.
