Laois_Man wrote: » Why do I keep seeing there's no time for an election? A campaign only has to be 25 days long! There's no reason why a referendum campaign has to be any longer than that! They've already been debating it for about 4-years!
Leroy42 wrote: » Wasn't it Nissan that got the special deal from TM soon after she took office? Nobody has ever heard the details of that deal or indeed how much it is going to cost. You would then have to wonder how many other companies also went looking for guarantees/deals when the news about Nissan emerged, you can bet that at least the other car companies did and would explain why they have been reluctant to take any meaningful action in terms of moving etc since the ref. You would then have to consider the likelihood that she has probably guaranteed to make up any downside, economically, to NI. We already have, from Gove I think, a guarantee that farmers will be paid the previous EU monies from the UK.
10000maniacs wrote: » No you would be wrong on that. Channel 4 interviewed Nissan workers in Sunderland a few months back and a lot of the assembly workers were clearly on the side of Brexit. That's the scary thing about Brexit, it's a self harm cult and for a lot of people it trumps putting bread on the table.
mickoneill31 wrote: » The second part is probably a good analogy. If you stop paying your mortgage and go for a new loan, what happens? If you stop paying your mortgage is the final outcome ever good? I won't bother with the first part. Posted by somebody who hasn't read any of this thread (or doesn't understand it).
Laois_Man wrote: » Why do I keep seeing there's no time for an election? A campaign only has to be 25 days long!
breatheme wrote: » There's no time for a people's vote or a general election.
breatheme wrote: » The EU's measures will probably embolden the hardline Brexiteers/ERG/etc.
Rain Ascending wrote: » My recollection is that there was some general demographic analysis done of one or more constituencies in the region that showed that:Those in work were much likely to vote "remain" than the average for the constituency Those out or work or retired were more likely to vote "leave" than the average Apologies -- I don't have a link to provide the numbers, but the associated news report was something that made me sit up and pay attention at the time, as it partially answered the conundrum of why places like Sunderland voted leave: the key swing votes were not those employed at manufacturing plants. Remember other (UK-wide) polling suggested that leavers saw Brexit as a good thing even if a relative became unemployed as a result.
judeboy101 wrote: » Plenty on here were predicting exodus from city of London, financial crash, no planes flying etc. None of which will happen now. EU are staring to turn soft. It's like stopping paying your mortgage knowing full well the bank can't evict you for years.
Peregrinus wrote: » (You've plainly not spent much time living in a homeless hub.) Back to the point: The EU's primary objective in a no-deal situation is not to maximise pain for the UK; it's to minimise pain for the EU. Some of the things they do for that purpose may, incidentally, also tend to alleviate the plight of the UK, but that's incidental. The UK cannot depend on the EU acting to alleviate its plight and, where the EU does act in that way, the UK cannot depend on it continuing to do so. The UK is still looking at disruption and dislocation of a kind, and on a scale, that it hasn't seen since 1945.
prinzeugen wrote: » Corbyn is a Neil Kinnock Mk2. So bad nobody will vote for them other than ex miners and indoctrinated students. The left.. Free speech. Just as long as its socialist/communist party approved! Typical left wing. Do as I say, not as I do. The speaker in the HOC should be replaced as his bias for Labour is so obvious.
Peregrinus wrote: » Pretty well everbody in the UK motor industry holds anti-brexit views. You should probably be asking yourself why that might be. .
EdgeCase wrote: » There was quite a bit of coverage of Sunderland in the run-up to the referendum, as it was seen as 'ground zero' for Brexit and there were a few reporters who surveyed the Nissan carpark and it would seem that the majority of those answering were planning to vote to leave, despite all the implications which were being talked about at the time. I haven't seen any formal polling of autoworkers but it would seem like from informal surveying many of them did vote to leave.
EdgeCase wrote: » All you can get for Sunderland is the overall figures: 38.7% Remain - 51,930 vs 61.3% Leave 82,394
lawred2 wrote: » yeah but I wonder was that a case of selective reporting... a case of "look at these lads whose livelihoods are dependent on EU membership still wanting to leave" - British lionheart types you know.. pride of Britain and all that or else a case of pointing out the prize turkeys voting for their own Christmas might have left out all those chaps who had the sense not to vote for the chopping block as there was no story in that
lawred2 wrote: » What's to say that the majority of auto workers in Sunderland didn't vote remain?
prinzeugen wrote: » No deal and in 2 years people will be asking what all the fuss was about.
EdgeCase wrote: » The British motor industry management may hold very anti Brexit views but based in vox pops in Sunderland and looking at the very strong votes in favour of it, the average British autoworker seems to have no idea they work as part of a pan European integrated supply chain.
Peregrinus wrote: » Pretty well everbody in the UK motor industry holds anti-brexit views. You should probably be asking yourself why that might be.
EdgeCase wrote: » What's worrying be a bit is talking to some continental colleagues of mine this morning. Four of them are talking about handing in notice and moving back to France and Spain because of what they're reading about disruption and particularly food and medicine shortages in the papers this morning. I don't know how serious those plans are but it's the first time that I've seen people very worried.
prinzeugen wrote: » The HR guy must be an idiot then. The way some of the media is reporting a hard Britex makes it look like a new Berlin wall is about to go up! And the situation you posted would be illegal in the UK/Ireland anyway under equal opportunities/equal status acts in the UK and Ireland. The reason they are keeping it on the qt, is they know they could be hauled through the courts.
Peregrinus wrote: » I think you've misunderstood mickoneill. It's not the case that he's applying for a job in London that is only open to nationals of the EU-27. On the retirement/resignation of the current occupant the opportunity is being taken to relocate the role from London to an EU-27 location, presumably because the the nature of the role makes it desirable that it be discharged with the Single Market. Presumably a British citizen is free to apply for the job and will be considered on the same basis as any other applicant. But, if appointed, he'll leave the UK to take up the job. There's nothing illegal about this and the company faces no prospect of being hauled through th courts. They haven't made a public announcement about this because, well, why would they?
Water John wrote: » Think she would be a great PM but wouldn't be able to keep brexiteers onside.
