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Recommend electric folding scooter for end of commute (Mod Note Post #1)

goz83

Mod Note: I've discussed with site admins, due to the current legal situation recommendations cannot be made for use of electric scooters on public roads in Ireland, but can be made for use on private property. However, we will allow discussion of e-scooters for purchase for use on private property, and other jurisdictions such as France/Germany where they are legal for use. This restriction will be lifted as soon as the legal situation changes, which will hopefully be soon.

I was thinking of getting one of those xiaomi m365 folding scooters to cover the last 5 kilometres of the journey as I come into the city and traffic gets mad. I am looking for peoples experiences with them.

I understand they are in a bit of a legal grey area, but you need to push this scooter to get going, so technically it doesn’t operate on mechanical power alone which is what the rsa site mentions as the definition of an mpv.

I’ll be travelling about 15km each way from urban to city. Due to a back injury, I can’t spend an hour stuck in traffic twice per day. I can’t tolerate public transport and it would be much more expensive (over €100 per month, compared to about €5 per month in my Leaf and m365).

So, my plan would be to drive about 10km and park the car before hitting the city centre. Parking would be free as I would be well outside the cc. I would then scoot the rest of the way to my destination and do the reverse on my return journey. I wouldn’t be stuck in traffic for too long and the range of the scooter should easily cover the return journey without destination charging. The scooter will cost around €400 to buy and claims 30km per charge...I am expecting 15.

What do you think?

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grogi

Martynet wrote: »

When I cycle to work, this is what's happening ... Get out the garden, open shed, open locks take out the bike, close shed, open the side gate... and all this takes about 5 mins...

How many keys do you need to use to open the shed?!

Martynet wrote: »

But scooter... just grab it in the hallway and ride out of the front door and on my way...
And don't have to keep it in the yard in the office and worry about it, cos it's right under my desk.

You'd do the same with the foldable bike.

Martynet

grogi wrote: »

How many keys do you need to use to open the shed?!

You'd do the same with the foldable bike.

Two locks, one on shed and one on bike. Basically with all these procedures and shower when arrive at the office, it takes about the same time as the luas. With the scooter, I can save about 20 minutes. And because the trip home is up the hill (average speed between 19-22 km/h), it will be much faster on scooter too.

Martynet

Anyway, If I get into trouble riding the scooter, I'll return it and will buy one of these cool ebikes with really fat tyres. They look awesome. Like the Lithium Cycles' Super 73 or this guy http://bad-bike.it/en/bad-en/

ted1

Martynet wrote: »

Anyway, If I get into trouble riding the scooter, I'll return it and will buy one of these cool ebikes with really fat tyres. They look awesome. Like the Lithium Cycles' Super 73 or this guy http://bad-bike.it/en/bad-en/

If you get in trouble it’ll be confiscated.

Martynet

ted1 wrote: »

If you get in trouble it’ll be confiscated.

Well if it's confiscated, I'm sure you can get it back after few days. It's still your property... They can't just take something and keep it forever....

listermint

Martynet wrote: »

Anyway, If I get into trouble riding the scooter, I'll return it and will buy one of these cool ebikes with really fat tyres. They look awesome. Like the Lithium Cycles' Super 73 or this guy http://bad-bike.it/en/bad-en/

Return it....

Who takes back a used scooter just because you got into trouble.

Do you understand shops....

Do you understand the law. So far no. Its evident you don't.

ted1

Martynet wrote: »

Well if it's confiscated, I'm sure you can get it back after few days. It's still your property... They can't just take something and keep it forever....

They can seize untaxed vehicles which is what it is.

griffdaddy

I can't wait for this to be ruled on one way or another if only to stop this fcking conversation occurring every 3 weeks.

beauf

Saw a bunch of people on scooters in town today. They aren't waiting...

Martynet

listermint wrote: »

Return it....

Who takes back a used scooter just because you got into trouble.

Do you understand shops....

Do you understand the law. So far no. Its evident you don't.

Some shops take back used stuff for lower price of course. Nothing unusual. Or I could just sell it on eBay. Doesn't really matter.

quarryman

Done almost 200km on mine now.

Love it.

unkel

Ha another familiar user formerly from the motors forum

Well wear!

dilallio

I've 360km done on mine. Love it, but it really struggles on hills with my weight (93kg).
Also there is no gasket provided on the joint where it folds/unfolds. Over time, you will get unwanted movement developing.
I've gone through 2 Garda Roads Policing checkpoints - got waved through the first one and the guard on the second checkpoint asked me where I got it as his brother was looking for one.

Thargor

What sort of range are ye getting on a charge?

mike_2009

I've a Zoom Stryder ES which is advertised 25-30km range at 19kph. I did a 25km trip at 25kph recently and got to 20km, hit turtle mode, then 2km more real slow before it died. So real range at full tilt is about 20km on a cold day. I charged it up and got about the same on the return. Wanted to find out what the real range was, could've gone slower of course, might have made it...!

Lumina

Reckon the €359 price for m365 will go down further after Xmas? I've not been tracking the prices for long.

https://www.amazon.it/gp/offer-listing/B077QHRLPB/ref=mw_dp_olp?ie=UTF8&condition=new

quarryman

Lumina wrote: »

Reckon the €359 price for m365 will go down further after Xmas? I've not been tracking the prices for long.

https://www.amazon.it/gp/offer-listing/B077QHRLPB/ref=mw_dp_olp?ie=UTF8&condition=new

That’s a great price.

dilallio

Thargor wrote: »

What sort of range are ye getting on a charge?

I do about 5.5km a day and when I get home, it shows about 75% full.
I charge it daily, as I noticed that once the battery gets near 50%, it really struggles on hills. Again, I'm over 90kg which is a big factor here.

quarryman

mike_2009 wrote: »

I've a Zoom Stryder ES which is advertised 25-30km range at 19kph. I did a 25km trip at 25kph recently and got to 20km, hit turtle mode, then 2km more real slow before it died. So real range at full tilt is about 20km on a cold day. I charged it up and got about the same on the return. Wanted to find out what the real range was, could've gone slower of course, might have made it...!

I have the same scooter. 20km is probably a realistic distance alright. Below 50% battery and the speed drops to about 25kph which is a bit annoying.

mike_2009

I wasn't cheeky enough to unclock it to above 25km/hour yet so not noticed!! It's great for local shopping, just back from Woodies...!

drunkmonkey

Do you have the carrier hook for shopping?

mike_2009

They gave me a carrying handle for free, I guess you could hook that on but it might be a bit wide? Was just planning on dropping in into the shopping trolley, it folds up quite small handles and all!

El Inho

Del2005 wrote: »

There is no gray area they are a mechanically propelled vehicle and would require a licence, tax and insurance if they could be made road legal.

I agree with half of this. It's not a grey area but only because it's clearcut in favour of the scooter rider. Like someone else said, a Garda might misinterpret the law the same way, but I have it on authority from the Garda press office that the scooter requires human power to get it moving, it's not an MPV

https://goosed.ie/electric-scooters-and-the-law-in-ireland/

beauf

El Inho wrote: »

I agree with half of this. It's not a grey area but only because it's clearcut in favour of the scooter rider. Like someone else said, a Garda might misinterpret the law the same way, but I have it on authority from the Garda press office that the scooter requires human power to get it moving, it's not an MPV

https://goosed.ie/electric-scooters-and-the-law-in-ireland/

If it's not a grey area you'll have no problem finding the quoting legislation that defines it like that. Instead of some vague poorly researched social media. Good luck.

Martynet

Hey guys, I created a group on FB related to Electric Scooters in Ireland. You're all welcome to join in and share stuff... It's called Electric Scooter Ireland. Cheers
When I receive my scooter (Dualtron Spider), I'll be sharing all the information and experience there. Could be cool to get as many members as possible and do some stuff to raise public awareness and discussions with politicians. Let me know what you think. cheers
The group is called Electric Scooter Ireland

Shefwedfan

New scooter out

https://www.geekbuying.com/item/KUGOO-S1-Folding-Electric-Scooter-350W-Motor-8-5-Inch-Tire-Black-411071.html

Johnboy1951

I wondered about the legality of use of these devices and how it could be put to good use by the gov in their bid to reduce traffic and our carbon footprint.

If each car owner was made legally entitled to use one without extra payment etc it might well encourage commuters in the direction the gov wants.
Yes, sure there would be paperwork etc etc., but the net result would be allowing their use in place of cars.

All others without a car registered to them would be required to make payment to register and legalise.

Something along those lines could both make the best use of these devices while at the same time making them legal to use, and hopefully taking an equal number of commuter cars off the road.

I have not thought this through, but something along those lines could be beneficial to all I think.

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Martynet

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I wondered about the legality of use of these devices and how it could be put to good use by the gov in their bid to reduce traffic and our carbon footprint.

If each car owner was made legally entitled to use one without extra payment etc it might well encourage commuters in the direction the gov wants.
Yes, sure there would be paperwork etc etc., but the net result would be allowing their use in place of cars.

All others without a car registered to them would be required to make payment to register and legalise.

Something along those lines could both make the best use of these devices while at the same time making them legal to use, and hopefully taking an equal number of commuter cars off the road.

I have not thought this through, but something along those lines could be beneficial to all I think.

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We need more scooters and more happy users... We need scooters to become as normal as bikes. I'm spreading the word as much as I can. And as soon as I get one, I will let other people to try it and convert them too

Shefwedfan

Martynet wrote: »

We need more scooters and more happy users... We need scooters to become as normal as bikes. I'm spreading the word as much as I can. And as soon as I get one, I will let other people to try it and convert them too

If you never had one how do you know you will recommend it?

hmmm

How likely are you to take a fall off of one of these? I've been reading some reviews saying that scooters are lethal in the wet, which isn't much use in Ireland?