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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?

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Locker10a

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

The ASL Boeing plans dropped anyone confirm?

Yes apparently they are. ASL are recruiting for their summer operation out of BHD only as per last summer but nothing mentioned for anything further than that.

Tenger

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

The ASL Boeing plans dropped anyone confirm?

Yup. The 'future fleet' slide from the EI presentaton showed 1 B757 gone for Summer 2019, with the other 3 gone in summer 2020. (replaced by A321LR with expansion in 2021 and 2022)

I see that EI are looking for first officiers again. I expect there is a mad rush to boost the numbers in advance of up to 14 A321LR over the next 3 years.

Locker10a

Tenger wrote: »

Yup. The 'future fleet' slide from the EI presentaton showed 1 B757 gone for Summer 2019, with the other 3 gone in summer 2020. (replaced by A321LR with expansion in 2021 and 2022)

I see that EI are looking for first officiers again. I expect there is a mad rush to boost the numbers in advance of up to 14 A321LR over the next 3 years.

Sorry I thought this was in relation to the rumoured 737 bucket and spade flights to boost summer capacity

goingnowhere

Well if you needed a jet the ASL 757 might fit the bucket and spade ops requirement once released when the A321 appears.

kevinandrew

goingnowhere wrote: »

Well if you needed a jet the ASL 757 might fit the bucket and spade ops requirement once released when the A321 appears.

The cost of operating the 757 in its current configuration on European sectors would probabaly be too high for ASL to consider it worthwhile. A reconfiguration would be needed to improve CASM but would probably result in overcapacity for Aer Lingus’ requirements.

Tenger

Locker10a wrote: »

Sorry I thought this was in relation to the rumoured 737 bucket and spade flights to boost summer capacity

Could well be. Im just guessing the recruitment is the ramp up for the new aircraft. Essentially the current ASL B757 flightcrew have to be replaced by Aer Lingus crew.

Jamie2k9

I was referring to the B737s, every year they plan to grow short haul and every year it never happens.

basill

Apples and oranges folks. My understanding is that there were concerns with the quality and reliability of the bucket and spade operators and its impact on the brand based on past performance. If it has been decided to keep this work in house then its probably due to the above and/or possible pricing issues.

The hiring of new pilots is to cover:-
- single digit retirements/resignations of captains
- backfill requirement of FOs that are shifting to the A330 from short haul
- replenish those FOs that have resigned over past year
- requirement for crew on NEOs
- any increase in short haul network

Jamie2k9

basill wrote: »

Apples and oranges folks. My understanding is that there were concerns with the quality and reliability of the bucket and spade operators and its impact on the brand based on past performance. If it has been decided to keep this work in house then its probably due to the above and/or possible pricing issues.

The hiring of new pilots is to cover:-
- single digit retirements/resignations of captains
- backfill requirement of FOs that are shifting to the A330 from short haul
- replenish those FOs that have resigned over past year
- requirement for crew on NEOs
- any increase in short haul network

Third party can't do anymore damage than in house does/continues to do!

duskyjoe

Karl, all the 330 in the EIN fleet are fitted with CF6-80E1A4’s. End.

basill

Third party can't do anymore damage than in house does/continues to do!

I believe the voice of the guest has spoken and in particular the tech delays in BHD with no additional cover to give but one example. In managements view it's much easier to direct the blame at the feet of a third party than take ownership for the core issues.

Locker10a

basill wrote: »

I believe the voice of the guest has spoken and in particular the tech delays in BHD with no additional cover to give but one example. In managements view it's much easier to direct the blame at the feet of a third party than take ownership for the core issues.

Also I find the short haul ops to be reliable and product consistent. I guess they don’t want to dilute that. People who book Aer Lingus flights expect a green plane and green uniforms and so they should! If they want to boost summer capacity I’m all for that but keeping a consistent product is important

Tenger

Been told that the new livery will be out middle of January. An A330 is going down to France for C Check and getting the new paint job while there.
"IAG standard" was the description I was given.

sherology

Looking forward to it. Fingers crossed it has some degree of creativity... Sounds not (IAG std.).

Any news on the uniforms?

Happy Christmas to you all. Thanks for the stories... Interesting.

flanzer

Tenger wrote: »

Been told that the new livery will be out middle of January. An A330 is going down to France for C Check and getting the new paint job while there.
"IAG standard" was the description I was given.

Someone showed me it on a mobile phone. Essentially the 'Aer Lingus' is a different font (pantone looking), and the shamrock it more italic looking. Wasn't overly impressed considering some company is probably being paid a fortune to come up with it!

sherology

flanzer wrote: »

Someone showed me it on a mobile phone. Essentially the 'Aer Lingus' is a different font (pantone looking), and the shamrock it more italic looking. Wasn't overly impressed considering some company is probably being paid a fortune to come up with it!

Did you see it as part of the overall livery? Was the fuselage eurowhite or did they retain the current schema?

Bussywussy

flanzer wrote: »

Someone showed me it on a mobile phone. Essentially the 'Aer Lingus' is a different font (pantone looking), and the shamrock it more italic looking. Wasn't overly impressed considering some company is probably being paid a fortune to come up with it!

That's exactly what I heard from someone,sounded like it's gonna be white with green tail and a green stripe on aft fuselage....sounds revolting....EDY will be first A330 and I think DVM...both will be unveiled at same time...

john boye

Tenger wrote: »

Been told that the new livery will be out middle of January. An A330 is going down to France for C Check and getting the new paint job while there.
"IAG standard" was the description I was given.

"IAG standard" sounds ominous...

Gingham1

Fra-dub flight only half full tonight. They could downsize to a crj or erj and still service that route. Ryanair are shadowing their times and cut the arse out of it. This is a Friday evening flight just before Xmas. 21st December

VG31

Gingham1 wrote: »

Fra-dub flight only half full tonight. They could downsize to a crj or erj and still service that route. Ryanair are shadowing their times and cut the arse out of it. This is a Friday evening flight just before Xmas. 21st December

FRA and MUC seem to have too much capacity from Dublin. I flew to MUC with EI a few weeks back and the load was around 60%. LH back was around 95%.

LXFlyer

VG31 wrote: »

FRA and MUC seem to have too much capacity from Dublin. I flew to MUC with EI a few weeks back and the load was around 60%. LH back was around 95%.

Hardly surprising?
On both routes I would expect LH load factor to be highest given the connections .

Tenger

Gingham1 wrote: »

Fra-dub flight only half full tonight. They could downsize to a crj or erj and still service that route. Ryanair are shadowing their times and cut the arse out of it. This is a Friday evening flight just before Xmas. 21st December

Yup. Very quiet time of the year on a budiness reliant route.

Gingham1

Tenger wrote: »

Gingham1 wrote: »

Fra-dub flight only half full tonight. They could downsize to a crj or erj and still service that route. Ryanair are shadowing their times and cut the arse out of it. This is a Friday evening flight just before Xmas. 21st December

Yup. Very quiet time of the year on a budiness reliant route.

No. I expect that plane to be full of returning Paddies as it has been in previous years. There isn't enough for all three and Ryanair are winning the budget customers, lufthansa the business customer with not enough left for Aer lingus.

Hotblack Desiato

Bussywussy wrote: »

That's exactly what I heard from someone,sounded like it's gonna be white with green tail and a green stripe on aft fuselage....sounds revolting...

Ugh! Hope that's not the case.

Gingham1 wrote: »

Fra-dub flight only half full tonight. They could downsize to a crj or erj and still service that route. Ryanair are shadowing their times and cut the arse out of it. This is a Friday evening flight just before Xmas. 21st December

They would save money if they had several routes where it was worth their while running a fleet of CRJs or Embraers, but the odd lightly loaded flight on a common fleet of 320s can, when all things are taken into account, still make money. Ryanair don't run anything smaller than a 737-800 no matter how lightly loaded the route may be. Either it makes money on the existing type or it doesn't. They feel no need to introduce smaller 737s never mind other types in order to serve lower traffic routes. EI are already serving lower traffic routes through the Regional service but they outsource that. Regional is run by Stobart with ATRs and the flight times from Ireland on turboprop make sense to Britain, but not further afield.

Gingham1

If Ryanair keep eating EI's lunch in Europe then they could be forced to be an airline composed of 330s, 321s for long range and CRJs for Europe. If IAG is generous maybe A220s.

Donegal Storm

What happened to the long talked about agreement between the two? Seems every few months there's murmurs saying an announcement is imminent then nothing happens..

vectorvictor

Gingham1 wrote: »

If Ryanair keep eating EI's lunch in Europe then they could be forced to be an airline composed of 330s, 321s for long range and CRJs for Europe. If IAG is generous maybe A220s.

I think EI would be relatively happy with that outcome and be fed the rest if they can get the right commercials with someone like FR. Keeping guaranteed load factor key European routes like LHR and bucket and spade with marginal feeder routes being outsourced to RE or WX.

Their problem is complete over reliance on the North American market in the event of the economy tanking. They really need to look in other directions too and diversify long haul ops.

Van.Bosch

vectorvictor wrote: »

I think EI would be relatively happy with that outcome and be fed the rest if they can get the right commercials with someone like FR. Keeping guaranteed load factor key European routes like LHR and bucket and spade with marginal feeder routes being outsourced to RE or WX.

Their problem is complete over reliance on the North American market in the event of the economy tanking. They really need to look in other directions too and diversify long haul ops.

If the NA market tanks, the global economy will tank too. Having extra routes to Singapore, Cape Town or Bangkok for example won’t be any better than US routes.

duskyjoe

Van.Bosch wrote: »

If the NA market tanks, the global economy will talk too. Having extra routes to Singapore, Cape Town or Bangkok for example won’t be any better than US routes.

totally agree.

Tenger

vectorvictor wrote: »

..............
Their problem is complete over reliance on the North American market in the event of the economy tanking. They really need to look in other directions too and diversify long haul ops.

100% agree. I was with EI in the early 2000s. The impact of the US downturn post 9/11 was pretty spectacular. From chatting to staff there longer they could also remember the post 1991 Desert Storm drop in numbers as well.