usernamegoes wrote: » I have no problem allowing an Uber-style model here, personally I'd be happy with the vetting etc being done by the company, but if it makes people feel better require them to get a taxi or hackney licence. However, change the rules that getting such a license only costs the administration fees and other artificial barriers to entry like requiring new ones to have wheelchair accessibility. You could also require the company to have group insurance to cover issues arising on trips they arrange.
markodaly wrote: » What most people miss in ride-sharing, is why the Irish regulator does not issue a Taxi license to people who want it. At the moment, you cannot get one, which basically makes it almost impossible for a new entrant to enter the market unless they a) buy a license of someone else or wait until the regulator out of the kindness of their hearts releases more licenses. Also, last time I looked it cost the guts of €5,000 for said taxi plate. Why is it so expensive?
markodaly wrote: » Can name on Irish tech company who employs more than 1000 people in Ireland?
Losty Dublin wrote: » Start up business. Losses of $4.5 billion. In a service industry that has existed for well over a century all over the world. This would suggest that they really don't know what they are doing.
Spook_ie wrote: » New entrants can get a WTA license for €170. You can't buy a taxi plate off anyone anymore, unless they do a deal to transfer it on after their death.
Bray Head wrote: » That's an absurd benchmark. A firm employing 1,000 people in Ireland is absolutely massive. There are only 1.3m or so in the private sector workforce. According to the CSO there are only 58 ICT firms employing more than 250 people in Ireland. That is for foreign and domestically owned. I would say no more than a dozen with more than a thousand staff. Anyway, even successful Irish firms will eventually put their employees where their customers are. Kerry, Glanbia and Ryanair base the majority of their staff outside Ireland and have done for a long time.
markodaly wrote: » You mean a WheelChair Accessible Taxi license, so long as you spend €30,000 on a wheelchair accessible car. Bargain! LOL
markodaly wrote: » What is the largest Irish tech multinational in Ireland and how many do they employ?
Spook_ie wrote: » Their real model is based on data acquisition, the same as myTaxi, all that valuable travel information is a sellable commodity why do you think Google were investing in it until they fell out. But all three companies are still after the data, Uber, MyTaxi ( Daimler ) and Googlehttps://qz.com/880697/uber-is-finally-giving-the-public-a-glimpse-of-its-stunning-trove-of-transit-data/https://www.siliconrepublic.com/companies/mytaxi-ceo-interviewhttps://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/07/travis-kalanick-on-google-uber-relationship.html
Losty Dublin wrote: » Which backs up my point to some extent, Spook. Their true credentials and knowledge are not in the trade of getting people from A to B.
makeorbrake wrote: » Exactly. In which case, someone in some office somewhere can suggest anyone can get a license. But the reality is that this model shuts out uber. Why have a limited number of licenses? The tech allows for someone to go out to work for a few hours on the fly. There's great flexibility in that. It's a more efficient use of peoples time and the available fleet of cars. On this idea of ubers adding to traffic congestion, I don't accept that. A taxi is likely to go 'cruising' for work. An uber isn't. Whilst sitting in the car, there is usually somewhere to pull in temporarily. Other than that - and perhaps its symptomatic of how cost effective uber is where i'm at right now - I see uber's taking jobs immediately after they drop me off.
end of the road wrote: » if you want to be a taxi driver then that is the rules, and they should not be removed just to facilitate uber who can compete if they so wish. our model doesn't shut out uber. uber can come here and compete if they so wish. they are not stopped from doing so. they simply have to abide by the rules as set down, rules which exist for the benefit of the users of taxis. if they do not wish to come here, that is up to them, they are the only ones shutting themselves out.
makeorbrake wrote: » So 'thems the rules'? BS. Simplify the system and allow better utilisation of peoples time and the existing car stock. If the tech can facilitate someone who wants to go out and work for a few hours or switch on their availability to accept a fare if they're going on a particular journey, they should be allowed to do so. Protectionism is negative and ultimately, it never wins out.
Deleted User wrote: » There is no protectionism, just minimum requirements which uber choose not to adhere to thereby excluding themselves from the market, simples Unless of course, you are advocating that we drop the bare minimum standards that took a long time to get put in?
LuckyLloyd wrote: » There is no lack of taxi services in Dublin. As noted above, government policy needs to be focussed on getting cars (including taxis) off the streets over the next two decades.
makeorbrake wrote: » They recognise the value of data - is all that means. They're still facilitators of getting people from point A to point B.
Losty Dublin wrote: » Illegally so in Ireland under their intended business model.
makeorbrake wrote: » The law of supply and demand is the best regulation.
Spook_ie wrote: » It only costs €170 for a wheelchair accessible license, subject to age limits of vehicle, but you'd sooner allow the mobility disadvantaged of Ireland to go crawl wherever they'd like to get to, so that people can drive their family vehicles a few hours a day to put what few WAT's we have now off the road.
end of the road wrote: » that is what such cars cost brand new. that is just how it is . you could get a second hand one a lot cheaper i'm sure. if you want to be a taxi driver then that is the rules, and they should not be removed just to facilitate uber who can compete if they so wish. our model doesn't shut out uber. uber can come here and compete if they so wish. they are not stopped from doing so. they simply have to abide by the rules as set down, rules which exist for the benefit of the users of taxis. if they do not wish to come here, that is up to them, they are the only ones shutting themselves out.
magicbastarder wrote: » why?
glasso wrote: » Basically all people who aren't Taxi drivers or related to them would prefer to have the choice of an Uber service with say 30 t0 40 percent cheaper fares.
Bray Head wrote: » I highly doubt Uber could sustainably offer 30% to 40% cheaper fares than the regulated fare.
Bray Head wrote: » I highly doubt Uber could sustainably offer 30% to 40% cheaper fares than the regulated fare. Driving a taxi is not a high-margin occupation. Taxi fares (adjusted for cost of living) are at the low end in Ireland compared to most European countries.
makeorbrake wrote: » Sure - that's the protectionism - which is stifling progression and innovation - that we're talking about.
Losty Dublin wrote: » Basic laws relating to car insurance and basic State licensing isn't what classes as protectionism to the vast majority of society. The bar for taxi permits in Ireland is not set at a terribly high level all told
makeorbrake wrote: » Of course I am. Tell me why someone can't be issued a license tomorrow for a minimal fee?
makeorbrake wrote: » Everyone knows the model facilitates people to go out and work as and when it suits. You can't do that if you restrict in this fashion. It's protectionism.
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