GarIT wrote: » Your post is very unclear. If the footage is theirs they can delete it. If you are there less than a year they can sack you at any time for any reason. If not they have to follow a disciplinary procedure unless you have broken the law.
Studiostichup wrote: » Yes the footage is from the cctv in factory I am there over 5 years We requested to see the footage for the whole investigation. After they sacked me on my appeal they showedme footage taken of a monitor screen Taken on a mobile phone which Only shows after the incident. But the part to prove me correct is gone
GarIT wrote: » It appears they have followed the correct procedure. If you feel is was unjust you need to contact a solicitor who can advise you.
Studiostichup wrote: » Is the correct procedure to not show me the footage to sack me on . And can they delete before appeal is still going on They can sack me but not show me evidence
Patww79 wrote: » It appears they didn't from what the OP says. That said, there's nothing they can do about it.
GarIT wrote: » I meant disciplinary procedure rather than the cctv footage. OP mentioned an appeal, so they have that end of it covered.
lawred2 wrote: » Surely if you request to see the incident for which you are being fired, you are entitled to see it? How is deleting their only evidence following any sort of correct procedure?
GarIT wrote: » I replied to another similar comment above. I meant the steps they are required to take with disciplinary procedure. To answer your questions though. In some cases they may not even be permitted to show you the recording. That probably isn't the case here, but we don't know. People can be fired without video evidence, it may affect the company later on if they had to defend their decision in court but I can't think of anything that could compel them to keep the recording. OP also hasn't specified if they have a camera system that records over it's own footage, every 24-hours, 3 days, or week, or if somebody from the company actively went and deleted the video. It's not exactly the same but I had something similar happen to me in Maynooth University, I was assaulted by another student who had some sort of friendship with the head of security who deleted the footage and the advice I got at the time was they can do that if they want to. Until the Gardaí ask them to hold onto it they don't have a responsibility to.
Studiostichup wrote: » Im cool with that but why show me anything The show me a recording of after the event But dont caputure what i say The recording only shows from clearly 10 mins after the event And is taken from mobile phone of the camera screen
ForestFire wrote: » Why would you go to CIC, would it not be better to go direct to NERA? But I think part of the question the op maybe asking is, can the company use partial cctv evidence to sack him, while at the same time removing and deleting part of this evidence they relied upon themselves. I don't know the answer but seems suspect.
cml387 wrote: » You seem focused on a narrow point i.e the existence or not of CCTV evidence. If CCTV is the only evidence, and it now doesn't exist then I would suspect that you have a case. However if there are witnesses who will say you did what you did (and I'm not suggesting guilt or innocence here) then you may have a problem.
Studiostichup wrote: » .... But the part to prove me correct is gone
dhaughton99 wrote: » You hit one of your colleagues?
punisher5112 wrote: » Is there a union? Wrc is an option. Who did you have with you for meeting?
Studiostichup wrote: » Yes Union is with me Next step is WRC I am waiting on the result of appeal now The appeal has new circumstances As video shown is recorded on phone But didnt record the bit to show my version
beauf wrote: » Sounds very sus to me. If you are there 5yrs it would be worth taking it further. Deleting footage make them look guilty even if they are not.
punisher5112 wrote: » Then how can you or they prove it wasn't tampered with. This can not be used it must be the original unmolested footage. Contact the data controller. You need to keep at the union
Studiostichup wrote: » They did tamper They deleted it but before hand took a copy to a phone and recorded what only the wanted me to see. I asked to see from 7pm at the time of incident But they produce this phone footage that only shows from 7:10pm
