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Brexit Discussion Thread VI

johnnyskeleton

Hi folks, as Theresa May has won the vote of no confidence and we are heading into Brexit day early next year, I thought for the new thread people might give their summary of their views on Brexit to date before we get into the more day to day discussions.

So what do you think about what has happened so far? Who has come off well, who has come off badly?

Where do you think Brexit is going? What is going to be the likely impact on Ireland, Northern Ireland, the rest of the U.K. and the E.U. respectively?

Both this thread and the Mark V thread will remain open simultaneously for the next day or so and Mark V will be closed as it gets closer to the server busting 10,000 mark. Hopefully we can set down a solid foundation now for a top quality thread to come!

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Donald Trump

Enzokk wrote: »

The UK will be limiting EU migrants to the UK to those that only earn more than £30k per annum. What will the NHS do for nurses? What about carers? I cannot understand the direction May is taking, she is all over the place but her actions surely only ever screams no-deal and an insular UK that will only be in trouble in the future.

EU migrants will have to earn £30,000 before coming to Britain under crackdown

Will be grand for those doing those low-paid jobs.

UK residents are just going to have to pay higher prices so that the employers can pay the workers 30k minimum.

Migrant workers will be happy out :pac:

mcmoustache

brickster69 wrote: »

Eurogendfor can be called on by a member ( 6 of them ) in case of civil disorder.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/eurogendfor?lang=en

https://twitter.com/garuda28/status/1071754316350803969

I looked up these twitter accounts and, well, these are QAnon pushers.

In case you're unaware, the QAnon stuff is bullshít. It's origins aren't clear - it could be a Russian operation or it could be a 4chan scam or something other hoax. Whatever it is, it's still bullshít.

If you're getting your information from bullshít QAnon pushers and find them trustworthy, you should probably get off the internet because it might be too much for you to handle.

Anthracite

brickster69 wrote: »

Vehicles under the EU Flag on the streets to quell protesters in Paris.

https://newspunch.com/eu-army-deployed-paris-crush-french-revolution/

No French flag to see

Just so you know, I've flagged this post. Either it is malicious spreading of fake news, or a post so lacking in any sort of common-sense or good judgement that it rather discredits the person who posted it.

road_high

fash wrote: »

More than that- she also built the machinery for racist/xenophobic treatment during her stint at the home office.
On the WA, she personally had the text of the political declaration changed to have the ending of FOM on the first page:

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/albertonardelli/theresa-may-ending-free-movement-first-page-brexit

If they head down the no deal route it’ll be academic anyhow as the economy will be so slam dunked that the Uk won’t be worth moving to anyhow.

lawred2

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

It's another threat to punish Ireland from clueless Brexiteers

https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1073531280862654464

Thankfully this one is being firmly put in his place.

Fairly sure another dimwit came out with the same tweet a few months back

fash

road_high wrote: »

It’s the only “upside” of Brexit and a card that goes down well to the gallery. Hence why she continually plays it

More than that- she also built the machinery for racist/xenophobic treatment during her stint at the home office.
On the WA, she personally had the text of the political declaration changed to have the ending of FOM on the first page:

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/albertonardelli/theresa-may-ending-free-movement-first-page-brexit

BlitzKrieg

It's another threat to punish Ireland from clueless Brexiteers

https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1073531280862654464

Thankfully this one is being firmly put in his place.

hill16bhoy

Enzokk wrote: »

The target of less than 100 000 immigration to the UK is her target and she will do what she can to attain it, it seems even if that means wrecking the country so nobody would want to go there. I am sure I am imagining it now but I suddenly get the feeling she gets more animated when she proclaims free movement will end.

May's total inability to relate to the victims and survivors of the Grenfell Tower disaster shouldn't have come as much of a surprise.

They were, you know (nudge, nudge, wink wink), "different".

road_high

Enzokk wrote: »

The target of less than 100 000 immigration to the UK is her target and she will do what she can to attain it, it seems even if that means wrecking the country so nobody would want to go there. I am sure I am imagining it now but I suddenly get the feeling she gets more animated when she proclaims free movement will end.

It’s the only “upside” of Brexit and a card that goes down well to the gallery. Hence why she continually plays it

road_high

EDit wrote: »

Totally anecdotal of course, but was talking with family in UK earlier and they said that, if the vote had been a few weeks ago, they reckon remain would walk it. However, the British press have been milking this latest spat between May and the EU folks and really pushing the “EU is the big bad wolf” element (more than usual anyways)

They’ve always thought this so I think they’re best off out as they can’t seem to move on as a nation from WW2 etc.
May knew that “the sticking it to the EU” charade the other day would play well at home- nebulant is Juncker being polite- obstinate, deluded idiots is more appropriate.
It’ll be some craic watching these idiots attempt complex trade deals around the shark invested waters of world trade

Enzokk

lawred2 wrote: »

Between stuff like that and the inhuman windrush carry on, one would be forgiven for thinking that ultimately an intense dislike of the foreigner is her driving force and not some misplaced sense of duty...

The target of less than 100 000 immigration to the UK is her target and she will do what she can to attain it, it seems even if that means wrecking the country so nobody would want to go there. I am sure I am imagining it now but I suddenly get the feeling she gets more animated when she proclaims free movement will end.

hill16bhoy

lawred2 wrote: »

Between stuff like that and the inhuman windrush carry on, one would be forgiven for thinking that ultimately an intense dislike of the foreigner is her driving force and not some misplaced sense of duty...

And sick people in Britain. Remember the dementia tax. And now this.

lawred2

Enzokk wrote: »

The UK will be limiting EU migrants to the UK to those that only earn more than £30k per annum. What will the NHS do for nurses? What about carers? I cannot understand the direction May is taking, she is all over the place but her actions surely only ever screams no-deal and an insular UK that will only be in trouble in the future.

EU migrants will have to earn £30,000 before coming to Britain under crackdown

Between stuff like that and the inhuman windrush carry on, one would be forgiven for thinking that ultimately an intense dislike of the foreigner is her driving force and not some misplaced sense of duty...

Enzokk

The UK will be limiting EU migrants to the UK to those that only earn more than £30k per annum. What will the NHS do for nurses? What about carers? I cannot understand the direction May is taking, she is all over the place but her actions surely only ever screams no-deal and an insular UK that will only be in trouble in the future.

EU migrants will have to earn £30,000 before coming to Britain under crackdown

EU migrants will have to earn at least £30,000 before they are allowed to come to Britain after Brexit under a crackdown due to be announced next week, The Telegraph understands.

Under the plans, which have prompted a Cabinet row, skilled migrants will be required to have a job offer and hit the minimum salary threshold before they are allowed to come to the UK on five-year-long visas.

Low-skilled migrants will be able to come to the UK on one-year visas on a "temporary" basis as long as they have jobs. Once their visas expire they will be required to leave the country and unable to apply to return until a "cooling off" period of a year has passed.

Government sources said there have been "significant" rows over the plans, with Philip Hammond, the Chancellor, and Greg Clark, the Business Secretary, among ministers who have raised concerns.

However, Downing Street sources said the Prime Minister is determined to push ahead with the policy before Parliament rises next week in a bid to shore up her authority after 117 Tory MPs voted for her to go.

lawred2

brickster69 wrote: »

Eurogendfor can be called on by a member ( 6 of them ) in case of civil disorder.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/eurogendfor?lang=en

https://twitter.com/garuda28/status/1071754316350803969

What exactly is your point?

It's a multi state cooperative police force.

EU army?

Have a word with yourself will you

Captain Obvious

brickster69 wrote: »

Yes, they have 2 police forces. Gendarma and Guardia Civil

What are you talking about? The Gendarmarie is a French word for a French police force. There's no Spanish Gendarma. And the Spanish have more than two police forces. Are you sure you weren't actually in France?

brickster69

Eurogendfor can be called on by a member ( 6 of them ) in case of civil disorder.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/eurogendfor?lang=en

https://twitter.com/garuda28/status/1071754316350803969

Strazdas

Inquitus wrote: »

What a load of EU army nonsense, we have a conspiracy theory forum, I suggest all those posting this crap go there and have fun.

It's complete garbage. No army from an EU state can go into battle with EU flags on their vehicles or uniforms : the photos further up the thread are of peacekeeping forces.

Strazdas

RobMc59 wrote: »

Nothing to worry about then..armoured military vehicles on the streets of Paris and tens of thousands of protesters-would that be the case if it was happening in London?

France has more of a tradition of violent street demonstrations than the UK : you wouldn't be comparing like with like.

brickster69

Captain Obvious wrote: »

The Gendarmarie in Spain?

Yes, they have 2 police forces. Gendarma and Guardia Civil

Capt'n Midnight

RobMc59 wrote: »

Nothing to worry about then..armoured military vehicles on the streets of Paris and tens of thousands of protesters-would that be the case if it was happening in London?

What would happen in London ?

Three unusable water cannon bought by Boris Johnson when he was mayor of London have been sold for scrap, . The fee recoups 3.4% of the £322,834.71 spent on the vehicles since 2014.

How many times have MP's spoken out about things like water canon being used by foreign regimes while they were being used in Belfast ? Because there's no deviation on rules :rolleyes:

Captain Obvious

brickster69 wrote: »

Been in Spain for a couple of months and also the Gendarmarie have EU flags. Maybe they were all from Kosovo also.

http://www.eurogendfor.org/organisation/what-is-eurogendfor

" EUROGENDFOR can be considered as an integrated police tool designed to carry out police missions in different theatres, including destabilized ones "

The Gendarmarie in Spain?

brickster69

Been in Spain for a couple of months and also the Gendarmarie have EU flags. Maybe they were all from Kosovo also.

http://www.eurogendfor.org/organisation/what-is-eurogendfor

" EUROGENDFOR can be considered as an integrated police tool designed to carry out police missions in different theatres, including destabilized ones "

RobMc59

CelticRambler wrote: »

What's this got to do with Brexit? Post it over here -> Paris protest disruption

In any case, you are spreading fake news. How many Garda cars fly the Irish flag? Those vehicles (and the personel depicted in the tweet/photo) are in Gendarmerie Blue, not EU blue, and they have French registration plates. Try a bit of fact checking before posting rubbish like that in future. :P

Yours! Those armoured cars were deployed in Kosovo as part of the EU's peacekeeping operation and had the EU flag affixed at that time. When they came back, they were put into storage and haven't been used until now, and the Gendarmerie have better things to be doing with their time than scraping off such inoffensive symbols. :P

Nothing to worry about then..armoured military vehicles on the streets of Paris and tens of thousands of protesters-would that be the case if it was happening in London?

flutered

judeboy101 wrote: »

Cabinet reportedly split between
Norway plus, referendum and no deal.

the norwegians have ruled out the norwegian part already

Inquitus

What a load of EU army nonsense, we have a conspiracy theory forum, I suggest all those posting this crap go there and have fun.

CelticRambler

brickster69 wrote: »

Vehicles under the EU Flag on the streets to quell protesters in Paris.

https://newspunch.com/eu-army-deployed-paris-crush-french-revolution/

No French flag to see

What's this got to do with Brexit? Post it over here -> Paris protest disruption

In any case, you are spreading fake news. How many Garda cars fly the Irish flag? Those vehicles (and the personel depicted in the tweet/photo) are in Gendarmerie Blue, not EU blue, and they have French registration plates. Try a bit of fact checking before posting rubbish like that in future. :P

lawred2 wrote: »

Check out @CuAnnan’;s Tweet: https://twitter.com/CuAnnan/status/1072953567387009029?s=09

Not sure which tweet is accurate ...

Yours!

Those armoured cars were deployed in Kosovo as part of the EU's peacekeeping operation and had the EU flag affixed at that time. When they came back, they were put into storage and haven't been used until now, and the Gendarmerie have better things to be doing with their time than scraping off such inoffensive symbols. :P

flutered

briany wrote: »

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

The BBC news has reported that while Britons will not have to apply for visas to visit EU countries, they will have to apply for a €7 ETIAS document which allows for infinite entries and exits within a 3-year period for short stays.

Story here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46564884

So, boozy flights to Malaga just got 7 euros dearer for each British passport holder?

with questions been asked if they have a criminal record etc

Enzokk

murphaph wrote: »

Loads and loads of turkeys voted for Xmas. Funny you should mention RR. I did my German language proficiency test alongside 3 Brits (who really need citizenship security) all working for RR in Dalewitz near Berlin. They reckoned vast numbers of their Derby colleagues voted to leave. They couldn't fathom it any more than we can.

Those selling the lie had it working on the workers directly working for companies that rely on the EU single market or even companies that are EU multinationals. Flintshire voted to leave 56.4% to leave and Airbus UK is located in that locality. It really staggers the belief sometimes.

brickster69 wrote: »

Vehicles under the EU Flag on the streets to quell protesters in Paris.

https://newspunch.com/eu-army-deployed-paris-crush-french-revolution/

No French flag to see

That's not all, there is proof of the EU army all over the interweb. Just look at these photo's for evidence,

Or, vehicles that were used by forces under a EU peacekeeping mission in Bosnia were transferred for use to the police in France. They have not taken the stickers off it for whatever reason.

EDit

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Are the people frightened enough yet to undo the chaos in a second referendum?

I think there is a little bit to go but I highly suspect by next Winter little Englanders won't be sneering at the Dutch, French or Irish anymore for being made to vote again.

Totally anecdotal of course, but was talking with family in UK earlier and they said that, if the vote had been a few weeks ago, they reckon remain would walk it. However, the British press have been milking this latest spat between May and the EU folks and really pushing the “EU is the big bad wolf” element (more than usual anyways)