Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Property tax should stay.
Ubbquittious wrote: » Besides, the more tax we give them the more they'll waste
Townton wrote: » Yes they should go. Main problem we have is we pay incredibly high taxes yet get crap services. Most of it is spent on the civil services wages who constantly want to do less work for more money. Some might counter if we got good services would i accept high taxes. Answer no heard it so bloody often just give me my money back and i will take care of myself.
vicwatson wrote: » This is an actual fact
dxhound2005 wrote: » When Property Tax and Motor Tax was abolished, the income tax rate for average earnings went up to 60%. I would prefer less tax on earnings, and more on assets, and more direct charges for services. If you are going to look after yourself you will need to build a road from your house to everywhere you want to travel.
Townton wrote: » Please dont use such a simplistic line of argument. I didnt say no taxes i said less. This idea that less taxes equals no raod is ridiculous.
suicide_circus wrote: » need to be paying a lot more carbon taxes but until stuff like the HSE is nuked from orbit I'm opposed to tax increases on the basis that the government does not have the competence to deliver a myriad of basic services. there are also almost a million people in gainful employment who pay virtually no income tax. Everyone needs to be paying something before the middle income cows are milked any further.
dxhound2005 wrote: » As always I like to establish what someone means by middle income. To me it is about €80,000 a year for a two adult household.
Ubbquittious wrote: » Would you miss it?
Ubbquittious wrote: » We can get around the carbon tax problem by building a powerstation just south of the border but with it's chimney in the post-Brexit north. Even private companies waste a good share of money in my experience, the government has to be about 10 times worse. Stuff like software licenses that nobody uses or where there's free alternatives available, taking up prime real estate when they could move further out of town, All the efforts spent complying with overbearing regulation that they created for themselves.
suicide_circus wrote: » start making senior public servants personally liable for financial mismanagement and waste or public money.
SEPT 23 1989 wrote: » People concerned about bloody tax on a Saturday evening Have a drink and relax You are a long time dead
Ubbquittious wrote: » Indeed. Home brewed of course. Tastes better.
Wibbs wrote: » The main issue I have with property tax is that it is largely out of the individual's control. With other taxes I can choose to pay less, by for example earning less, or not buying something, or in the case of car tax going for a smaller engine, leccy motor etc. Having property tax linked to house value, values that are out of the homeowner's hands is unfair IMHO. It also places more burden on certain areas, so Dublin pays a helluva lot more than other areas in Ireland. The "well you can always move house/downsize" is a silly argument that has little practical use unless you're actively looking to buy and where you buy isn't based on where your job/extended family/schools for your kids etc are. The "well other countries have the same tax" is not much of an argument either. So what? IMHO a fair chunk of these extra taxes are to keep the already squeezed middle so squeezed that they stay compliant and good little citizen consumers.
dxhound2005 wrote: » The so what is that when Property Tax and Motor Tax was abolished before it led to super high income tax. Which prompted the massive tax marches, much larger than anything seen about water recently. And led to services charges, later to become bin charges. The irony was that the same people gave Fianna Fail the biggest ever majority a few years earlier. Swallowing the line that everything could be paid for from central taxation. It is hardly on a whim that every country in the world has a system of property tax.
