Matt Barrett wrote: » Ah the I hate K****kers thread. That'll solve everything!
Fiftyfilthy wrote: » Serious question.... How do I become a traveller? I Read that the irish ones have no different genes or bloodline to any romany tinklers etc so how did these people gain their status? I wouldnt mind having some of their added rights and protection that oridnary citizens dont get. If I turn up an pauvee and ask to be one of them, would/could they refuse me? I have never lived in a caravan but neither have 99.9% of them now, infact they all have their own houses provided free by the state. Only concern is that I am working and dont have a criminal record, I worry I maybe rejected on this
ohnonotgmail wrote: » travel back 100 years and adopt the lifestyle of a tinker. simples.
Jerichoholic wrote: » You could just say you identify as a traveler and every liberal dimwit will bend over backwards to accommodate your every whim in exchange for facebook likes
Jerichoholic wrote: » If she's on the internet all day, every day why doesn't she do an online course?
KrustyUCC wrote: » “But there are more opportunities now to meet people in other places through Facebook and the like so it’s something that we are seeing a change in.” I would imagine the change is minuscule Majority of travellers will still marry travellers Look at the attitude in the AMAhttps://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057383006&page=2 “Out of interest, why do you have no interest in marrying outside of the travelling community?” “Because a settled man could leave you at anytime and no other man in the traveller community would look at you.” Yet apparently that fact that you can meet people outside the community busts the 'myth'
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that their culture means that it's always going to be very hard for them to make ends meet without resorting to handouts from the state. Or worse. If a settled person spent their days roving the countryside, having 6 and 7 kids and left school before their junior cert I'd be saying that they're after dressing a very, very hard bed for themselves. It's no different. She was asked a very fair question about how she was planning on managing financially with 6 kids in today's environment when most other people would struggle with 3. That became one of these questions people weren't allowed to ask her. It was very fair. I happen to like John. I don't know why so many people have a beef with him. He was one of the only celebrities (I use that term lightly) that stayed off the baby-death wagon during the referendum. Plus I'll bet his he's not running to the dole office begging for money from the taxpayer every week either. On a final note gormdubhgorm, it's easy for an employer to 'discriminate' against someone without a junior cert.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » On a final note gormdubhgorm, it's easy for an employer to 'discriminate' against someone without a junior cert.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Well what I took from it was a woman who wants to better herself, she mentioned the kinds of industires she would be intrested in. It just sounded like she needs encouragement. As for the financial issues you raise she never did mention if her fiance is working or not.But you seem to be implying that all travellers are on social welfare. Do you really believe that to be true? I saw a thing on the internet where John Connors (actor) wanted to get a security guard job. He was getting nowhere so he put on a Dublin (non-traveller accent) he was going to be given the job and his potential employer told him not to let any travellers in. Does that sound like a fella who wanted to be on the dole? I know Connors can talk some sh*te at times, but he seemed extremely sincere about this story and looked visibly hurt when he told the story.
sightband wrote: » Nice story, I’d say it’s utter bollocks unfortunately. A traveller accent for the most part sounds like any other accent where they were reared, mostly midlands. Cash got asked why she didn’t work and she cited traveller discrimination as the reason, for some reason nobody asked her how many jobs she applied for, I’d be willing to bet it was a grand total of zero. If she was turned down it is most likely because she is a thick pig ignorant aggressive c*nt and is illiterate by her own choosing of dropping out of school before receiving a basic level of education, just like the rest of them. It’s not because they are discriminated against, it’s because they are useless by their own choice because of their so called culture.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Well what I took from it was a woman who wants to better herself, she mentioned the kinds of industires she would be intrested in. It just sounded like she needs encouragement. As for the financial issues you raise she never did mention if her fiance is working or not. But you seem to be implying that all travellers are on social welfare. Do you really believe that to be true? I saw a thing on the internet where John Connors (actor) wanted to get a security guard job. He was getting nowhere so he put on a Dublin (non-traveller accent) he was going to be given the job and his potential employer told him not to let any travellers in. Does that sound like a fella who wanted to be on the dole? I know Connors can talk some sh*te at times, but he seemed extremely sincere about this story and looked visibly hurt when he told the story.
Mad_maxx wrote: » Connors is a professional grievance monger.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » I don't know how you can make that point to be honest. She's said about wanting the 6 kids and when she was pressed for genuine answers about how she could finance all this is was just diving and ducking, with the occasional input from a mod, telling folk to stop or apologist saying we should be grateful she's answering the questions she is. I see little difference between the pair to tell you the truth. Just that traveller girl maybe tries to be a bit 'nicer' or something about it. Net result at the end of the day is pretty much the same. I guess in Cash's eyes she'd be classed as an 'uncle traveller'. I've been pointing this out from the start of this thread. No matter how you spin it. Show me a financially viable system in which they choose to live how they live, without mooching off the taxpayer. I've yet to see or hear any such plan. And to rub salt in the wound, after being forced to subsidise this crap for the overwhelming majority it's done nothing only bred resentment towards us (non travellers).
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I looked through that thread. The main difference between herself and Margaret Cash to me is the the woman in the AMA thread does not seem to have an aggressive self-entitled posture. Also the woman in the AMA thread seems honest in her replies. In the AMA thread it was never stated wheter her fiance was working or not (unless I missed it) I got the feeling from the AMA thread that she would have liked to stay at school but bullying forced her away. She also is waiting until she is older to have kids. There were a few disturbing posts from the woman in the AMA thread though, like how the travellers would not report thier own criminal element out of fear of large feuds. Also she seems to have no trust in the gardai whatsoever after a few bad experiences where she was refused access to public places because she is a traveller. Plus although she said others in her family have married settled people, she claimed to be fearful of doing the same. As in her view the settled person will leave and no traveller man would look at her then. (That is her prejudice) Also I noted she said she does not frequent pubs and discos because of this hassle. Also she does not drink as she can see it might trouble in general. She seems to want to keep her head down and stay out of any hassle/trouble. In summary the main similarity seems to be that both are traveller women who want to have children. Lack of education is another similarity. But that is where the similarity ends. The mindset of both women seem to be different. The woman in the AMA thread seems to realise that the traveller community is changing and is slowly changing for the better. Ironically she wants more integration with settled people (like some members her family do, although she would not marry a settled person!)
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » Out of curiosity gormdubhgorm have you seen this, and if so what are your opinions? Wants to have 6 kids with no apparent way of financing it. Since you've been openly (rightly) critical of Margaret I'd be curious to know how you feel about this one. I can't see much of a difference myself.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » 4. Marrying cousins: To this day it is still a Traveller tradition to marry a cousin but it is a custom that is changing with the times.Busted: “Prior to having IT and Facebook, opportunities for Travellers to meet possible suitors were quite limited so marrying cousins was and still is quite common,” Busted
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