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Cork GAA Discussion Thread

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Amprodude

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I mean lads are we any bit surprised when you had frank and bob and the rest of the intelligentsia running Cork GAA ? Was it John allen who said Cork win All Irelands in spite of the county not because of them ?

We didn't win too many All Ireland's with John Allen in charge of the team. Unable to manage a good Cork team.

Itssoeasy

Amprodude wrote: »

We didn't win too many All Ireland's with John Allen in charge of the team. Unable to manage a good Cork team.

Fair point, but I've always taken his quote as a reflection of the past.

KrustyUCC

Amprodude wrote: »

We didn't win too many All Ireland's with John Allen in charge of the team. Unable to manage a good Cork team.

we haven't won any in hurling since he's been gone either

Amprodude

KrustyUCC wrote: »

we haven't won any in hurling since he's been gone either

That's true as well. They left that one in 2013 after them.

raindodger

who is liable for this debt the county board or now the wider gaa community?
This is crazy stuff that amount of money would buy gear for every kid wishing to play gaa in the country.
Will this mean that every other county can build what they want just to be bailed out by croke park?

topmanamillion

raindodger wrote: »

who is liable for this debt the county board or now the wider gaa community?
This is crazy stuff that amount of money would buy gear for every kid wishing to play gaa in the country.
Will this mean that every other county can build what they want just to be bailed out by croke park?

The GAA has taken over responsibility of the debt and PUC for the next 15 years.
Kildare, Mayo et al all ran up debts knowing HQ would bail them out.
Absolutely nothing knew in what Cork did here.

raindodger

topmanamillion wrote: »

The GAA has taken over responsibility of the debt and PUC for the next 15 years.
Kildare, Mayo et al all ran up debts knowing HQ would bail them out.
Absolutely nothing knew in what Cork did here.

Maybe the last masterstroke by frank .Every match that can be, will be played in cork for the next fifteen years

Amprodude

raindodger wrote: »

Maybe the last masterstroke by frank .Every match that can be, will be played in cork for the next fifteen years

They won't be anyone going to see Cork at the present moment with the bad state GAA is in the county right now.

ProudDUB

raindodger wrote: »

Maybe the last masterstroke by frank .Every match that can be, will be played in cork for the next fifteen years

I doubt it. The powers that be in Semple Stadium, Fizgerald Stadium & the Gaelic Grounds are all not going to sit idly by & let Cork hoover up all the big Munster championship games (in either code,) qualifier games, Super 8 games, or neutral venue games where a big crowd is expected. With 4 stadia in the one province capable of holding 40,000 people, the blazers in Killarney, Limerick & Thurles are going to keep on wanting their own slice of the pie, as they have their own bills to pay. And I don't blame them if they do.

zetecescort

Votes were counted for the County Board elections on Friday night, with outgoing Munster Council Delegate Mark Sheehan (Aghabullogue) winning the contest for vice-chairman. Adrigole's Joe Blake will be the new PRO, while Ger Lane (Bride Rovers) and Michael Byrne (Ballyhea) won the vote for Munster Council Delegates.

Details of the votes etc will be announced at Saturday's Convention.

caddy16

ProudDUB wrote: »

I doubt it. The powers that be in Semple Stadium, Fizgerald Stadium & the Gaelic Grounds are not all going to sit idly by & let Cork hoover up all the big Munster championship games (in either code,) qualifier games, Super 8 games, or neutral venue games where a big crowd is expected. With 4 stadia in the one province capable of holding 40,000 people, the blazers in Killarney, Limerick & Thurles are going to keep on wanting their own slice of the pie, as they have their own bills to pay. And I don't blame them if they do.

The real losers here could be clubs throughout Munster. I hope grants for club facilities aren't affected by this mess.

Itssoeasy

raindodger wrote: »

Maybe the last masterstroke by frank .Every match that can be, will be played in cork for the next fifteen years

Quotes from the CCB.

"Ms Kennedy told tonight’s annual convention at the stadium that the audited accounts of the Board detailed a spend of €86.5m on the redevelopment of the Pairc."

Despite revealing comments from Croke Park stadium director Peter McKenna in the Irish Examiner this week, the Cork GAA chair insisted: “There has been no takeover of the stadium.”

I mean either peter McKenna was lying with his comments yesterday or the CCB are lying.

zetecescort

I know I'd take McKennas word over anyone from the CCB. with public money involved you'd imagine Kennedy would have to be very careful with what she claims or else the **** will really hit the fan later

Amprodude

What a mess this is.

highwaymaniac

Itssoeasy wrote: »

raindodger wrote: »

Maybe the last masterstroke by frank .Every match that can be, will be played in cork for the next fifteen years

Quotes from the CCB.

"Ms Kennedy told tonight’s annual convention at the stadium that the audited accounts of the Board detailed a spend of €86.5m on the redevelopment of the Pairc."

Despite revealing comments from Croke Park stadium director Peter McKenna in the Irish Examiner this week, the Cork GAA chair insisted: “There has been no takeover of the stadium.”

I mean either peter McKenna was lying with his comments yesterday or the CCB are lying.

Those accounts will be to the end of 2017. There is no way they have handed over all the money in 2017. Retention monies won't be due until after the maintenance/defects period. That might be only €2 million. I'd would say there is a serious claim for extras in from the Contractor, which is probably going though concilliation or arbitration.

I wouldn't say lying, more like selective truth!

Powerhouse

raindodger wrote: »

Maybe the last masterstroke by frank .Every match that can be, will be played in cork for the next fifteen years

I think after only 10,000 showing up last year for the Clare-Wexford quarter final in Cork the GAA will have learned that supporters have a low enough tolerance of this ground and all the logistics surrounding attending a game there. Solutions will have to be a bit more creative than just moving games to Cork.

Powerhouse

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Quotes from the CCB.

"Ms Kennedy told tonight’s annual convention at the stadium that the audited accounts of the Board detailed a spend of €86.5m on the redevelopment of the Pairc."

Despite revealing comments from Croke Park stadium director Peter McKenna in the Irish Examiner this week, the Cork GAA chair insisted: “There has been no takeover of the stadium.”

I mean either peter McKenna was lying with his comments yesterday or the CCB are lying.

The Cork chair is probably correct. They have taken over the debt, not ownership of the ground. Of course for those who want to complain the distinction willl be irrelevant. Anyway to some extent it’s just words. It’s a bit like when the bust came here ten years ago you’d have one ‘tell it like it is’ hero saying the country was bankrupt, but another would say ‘almost’ bankrupt. We always seemed to be on the ‘edge’ of the cliff too. They’re just words.

The_Kew_Tour

The top brass ruling over Cork GAA are toxic.

I thought we might see few decent faces but they are all the same

richiepurgas

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The top brass ruling over Cork GAA are toxic.

I thought we might see few decent faces but they are all the same

I think John Delaney in the FAI learned from them.

munchkin_utd

zetecescort wrote: »

I know I'd take McKennas word over anyone from the CCB. with public money involved you'd imagine Kennedy would have to be very careful with what she claims or else the **** will really hit the fan later

they both are probably right.

CCB are saying the stadium "cost" 86million to get the stadium to where it is now, but ignoring any future costs, and that a swish stadium is not maintenance free.
In GAA thinking, you work out what you need to get the thing standing, and maintenance and other bills are for another day. (just look at Limerick who are struggling to find the cash to maintain their gigantic stadium, as an example that maintenance is a real cost)

Croke park could be saying the stadium will cost 110 million in the period till its paid off, maybe including interest and multiple pitch relays, proper planned maintenance and upgrades etc.

When a full detailed statement is made then it'll be clearer what the story is.

zetecescort

Tipp GAA with an 120 euro ticket to as many club matches as you like for next year, you wouldn't get to 10 games in Cork for that price

benji79

That’s a savage package in Tipp

ProudDUB

benji79 wrote: »

That’s a savage package in Tipp

Parnell Pass in Dublin gets you unlimited access to all club games in both codes, free admission to home league games in both codes & an automatic guarantee of an AI final ticket (again, for both codes) if Dublin make it that far. By far, the best €120* quid I spend every year.

*Edit: think it went up to 140 this year

purpleisafruit

ProudDUB wrote: »

Parnell Pass in Dublin gets you unlimited access to all club games in both codes, free admission to home league games in both codes & an automatic guarantee of an AI final ticket (again, for both codes) if Dublin make it that far. By far, the best €120* quid I spend every year.

*Edit: think it went up to 140 this year

That's a great package in fairness, especially with the guarantee of an AI ticket included. Not that we have to worry about AI tickets here :mad:

KrustyUCC

Spiralling costs cast a long shadow over the Páirc
Christy O'Connor

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corksport/Spiralling-costs-cast-a-long-shadow-over-the-Pairc-c1664249-8e61-439b-a6bf-f24d75a6ab88-ds

Boom__Boom

The farce continues.

Statement on Gaa.ie

The whole examining the figures and clarifying the costs looks to be a transparent excuse for Tracey to walk back her statement at the weekend about the cost of the stadium.

Joint-statement on Páirc Uí Chaoimh
Tuesday 18 December 2018

A scheduled meeting of the Board of Directors of Páirc Uí Chaoimh took place on Monday evening chaired by GAA President John Horan, who was nominated to chair the board at its first meeting in November.

Michael O’Flynn and Tom Gray, both board directors, have been asked by the board to examine figures and clarify the costs relating to the stadium redevelopment.

The meeting also confirmed that remedial work will take place on the playing surface to ensure that it will be capable of hosting games fixed for Páirc Uí Chaoimh in 2019. This work will be completed ahead of the commencement of the Allianz Leagues and it is not expected that a replacement of the pitch will be needed in the short term.

GAA President John Horan said: "I am delighted that the GAA has such a positive asset in Cork and I am optimistic about the future of what is a state of the art facility."

Cork GAA Chairperson Tracey Kennedy added: “It is fantastic for us to be able to call on the experience and expertise of Croke Park to work with us in the operation of our stadium, and I know this will be a huge positive for Páirc Uí Chaoimh.”

KrustyUCC

Still will be some walk back from €86m to closer to €110

Water John

Krusty, some of them may get coulrophobia reading this thread.

Boom__Boom

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Still will be some walk back from €86m to closer to €110

Yup - I think her credibility is seriously damaged after the stuff she came out with at the weekend.

Just had a look back on some of what she said and the words used.

“There has been no takeover of the stadium.”

Ms Kennedy added: “I want to categorically state again, and this has been said before, that there are absolutely no plans to levy clubs in any way in relation to the stadium project. The stadium has not had, and will not have any impact on inter-county teams, apart from providing them with an all-weather venue on which to train.”

“The stadium will have no negative impact on the day to day running of this Board,” the chair maintained.

You could make the case that what she said is pretty much all technically correct, but overall it paints a completely misleading picture of the true state of affairs.

Croke Park haven't actually taken the keys of the stadium off Cork GAA and locked them out, when she said it there might have been no actual plans for a club levy and the stadium will have no impact on the day-to-day running of the Board. If Tracey is trying to make the case that a €40 million overspend will have no impact on Cork GAA, you be wondering if it's safe to let her out on her own.

As someone said to me last night - it's no wonder that they still haven't managed to sell naming rights to the stadium, why would any sort of competent business want their name associated with it. Worth remembering that the business plan had €1.6 million budgeted for naming rights in it for 2017 and 2018.

They also pointed out that even if a raft of concerts end up being hosted there in the next few years, every concert promoters are going to know they have Cork GAA over a barrel, so Cork GAA will only end up getting a very small share of the profits.

It's also worth remembering that a hell of a lot of the contractors on the stadium were Cork folk (a serious chunk of them Cork GAA folk), so in addition to the Frank and Co, there's a whole other group of people who definitely would prefer the general public is kept in the dark over where the money ended up and why.

Overall it's just an ongoing dumpster fire.

zetecescort

Cork GAA Chairperson Tracey Kennedy added: “It is fantastic for us to be able to call on the experience and expertise of Croke Park to work with us in the operation of our stadium, and I know this will be a huge positive for Páirc Uí Chaoimh.”

ffs, Croke Park had to come down a bail us out due to the boards incompetence. she's just spinning bull**** and looking more foolish every time she opens her mouth