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Gun attack at Christmas market, Strasbourg.

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One dead. Three injured.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/one-dead-in-christmas-market-shooting-in-french-city-of-strasbourg-1.3728100

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Boom_Bap

Does anyone have any actual news about what transpired yesterday?

Danzy

In fairness to the French, British police etc, there would be attacks weekly if not for their effort.

One downside is that people do not realise the scale of this threat is much bigger than even the pessimists think.

weldoninhio

Danzy wrote: »

In fairness to the French, British police etc, there would be attacks weekly if not for their effort.

One downside is that people do not realise the scale of this threat is much bigger than even the pessimists think.

Exactly, people think that it's just 1 or 2 extremists, and don't see the almost daily operations and arrests.

Danzy

TomSweeney wrote: »

My brother is a lefty lunatic, and his response to these attacks is always the same.

But look how much people pollution kills every year !

Way more than terrorism - he's right points negated completely :mad:

The modern Left has gone absolutely nuts and is doubling down on that.

The younger generation is at another level.

Far removed from the vagaries of life, especially for the bottom half , hell even the bottom 3/4s.

yoke

DanDan6592 wrote: »

No they ****ing don't. Total and complete bollocks.
And even if they did, you don't see young black non-Muslims going on shooting/stabbing rampages.

Yes they ****ing do. Keep burying your head in the sand.

And you do see young black non-Muslims forming gangs actually

yoke

Danzy wrote: »

The religious obligation to jihad. The culture of What we view as extremist thinking that is mainstream in Mosques and at the heart of the religion.

Like a Christian group feeding the homeless because that is what Jesus wants, yet are small in number. This man is fulfilling the demands of Mohammed.

Few hardcore believers in both cases.

Well then maybe those schools should be shut down under our incitement to hatred laws

wakka12

Stephen15 wrote: »

Yet another terrorist attack in France. They all nearly in countries such as The UK, France, Germany and Sweden all of which have self destroyed themselves through mass Islamic immigration. We don't see any terrorist attacks in Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic or Slovakia.

Finland has a tiny muslim population and had a terrorist attack

Danzy

yoke wrote: »

Well then maybe those schools should be shut down under our incitement to hatred laws

They should be. I think It is necessary. It would probably lead to the army on the street in much of Europe and Britain though and a steep upsurge in violence for a while but a long term benefit.

Figures of a quarter to Half of Mosques in Britain having such views and content regularly disseminated are given.

Many if these can hold 2k people inside. Boarding up them could be messy and violent.

Sonics2k

weldoninhio wrote: »

Easily monitored if you round them all into an internment camp.

Ah yes, round up thousands of people on the possibility that they might be an extremist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Demetrius

Ironically, actions like this are considerably more likely to create extremists than they are to prevent them.

A little bit of education goes a long way.

yoke

Danzy wrote: »

They should be. I think It is necessary. It would probably lead to the army on the street in much of Europe and Britain though and a steep upsurge in violence for a while but a long term benefit.

Figures of a quarter to Half of Mosques in Britain having such views and content regularly disseminated are given.

Many if these can hold 2k people inside. Boarding up them could be messy and violent.

Who funds them?

woddensanta

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You guys are far too extreme the other way. I’ve talked to plenty of observant Muslims who are tolerant of all faiths (and I do ask).

Hang on here just a minute, are you telling me that when you question some Muslims as to if they are a radical Islamist and despise other religions or faiths some of them say no????? Can I ask what news houses you have approached with this ground-breaking research? This information should be publicized more as it could help assuage the fears of people worried about all the murdering the Islamists commit around Europe due to their hate of other religions.

seamus

Maybe we should just fast-track this plan and cut out the wait times.

Here's what we do: We round up all the Muslims and put them in one place.

Then everyone else picks one family member that they want to die, and we put them with the Muslims. And we throw 50 billion euro in there too.

And then we nuke the whole lot.

Same outcome, but quicker.

Danzy

yoke wrote: »

Who funds them?

Community funding and often support from the Gulf States on building.

The Didsbury Mosque in Manchester is nearly all community funded. It holds a 1000 people, was a Methodist Church.

yoke

seamus wrote: »

Maybe we should just fast-track this plan and cut out the wait times.

Here's what we do: We round up all the Muslims and put them in one place.

Then everyone else picks one family member that they want to die, and we put them with the Muslims. And we throw 50 billion euro in there too.

And then we nuke the whole lot.

Same outcome, but quicker.

Don’t forget who’s next after the Muslims!

Will it be the Chinese, requiring 3 family members?

Or will it be the Indians, possibly only requiring the death of 1.5 family members due to them not having as many nukes?

Or will it be the Irish, stopping Our Brexit with their silly little border issue?

You decide!

(Applause from crowd)

Danzy

seamus wrote: »

Maybe we should just fast-track this plan and cut out the wait times.

Here's what we do: We round up all the Muslims and put them in one place.

Then everyone else picks one family member that they want to die, and we put them with the Muslims. And we throw 50 billion euro in there too.

And then we nuke the whole lot.

Same outcome, but quicker.

Not surprising you want that always with the gulags and mass murder.

yoke

Danzy wrote: »

Community funding and often support from the Gulf States on building.

The Didsbury Mosque in Manchester is nearly all community funded. It holds a 1000 people, was a Methodist Church.

Why does the community (which is mostly 2nd generation immigrants) fund them? Is it because they feel different to the mainstream society, and they need to feel part of something?

p1akuw47h5r3it

yoke wrote: »

Yes they ****ing do. Keep burying your head in the sand.

And you do see young black non-Muslims forming gangs actually

So no, they don't go on stabbing/shooting rampage then. You see these people form gangs, not become terrorists. Huge difference. Have you any evidence that all 3 of these countries have "major" problems with racism.

Danzy

Sonics2k wrote: »

Ah yes, round up thousands of people on the possibility that they might be an extremist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Demetrius

Ironically, actions like this are considerably more likely to create extremists than they are to prevent them.

A little bit of education goes a long way.

That is true but still does not change the path this is going down.

It is more like the North in other ways as well. Community of religiously intense people planted with values and culture differing from the local often massively with the same results.

Rory28

There is nothing we can realistically do to stop these types of attacks until Islam lightens up. This attack was 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant like most of them are. They grow up in two worlds, one in which they are in a democracy with equal rights for all and another where they see Women as second class citizens, gay people as degenerates to put it mildly and a host of other medieval beliefs.

Is it any wonder they feel disillusioned? The problem is imo Islam but like Seamus said if we ban it then we get the cornered animal analogy. It is also what the likes of ISIS and Al Qeada want.

inforfun

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Does anyone have any actual news about what transpired yesterday?

Here is his mug:

Born in Strassbourg in 1989
As usual, a quiet, nice guy apart from the time when he ended up in jail for giving some one a new face with a bottle.
Since 2016 on the watchlist
Yesterday morning an attempt to arrest him was made which didnt go wel but granades were found in his house.
Before he ended up in prison in 2011 he was already involved in crime and has convicitions in Germany as well.

Upstanding European citizen as you can see who now killed 3 and wounded 13, 8 of them serious.

Danzy

yoke wrote: »

Why does the community (which is mostly 2nd generation immigrants) fund them? Is it because they feel different to the mainstream society, and they need to feel part of something?

Because it is their local Mosque, their community centre, a massive part of their identity.

They are part of something.

Danzy

Rory28 wrote: »

There is nothing we can realistically do to stop these types of attacks until Islam lightens up. This attack was 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant like most of them are. They grow up in two worlds, one in which they are in a democracy with equal rights for all and another where they see Women as second class citizens, gay people as degenerates to put it mildly and a host of other medieval beliefs.

Is it any wonder they feel disillusioned? The problem is imo Islam but like Seamus said if we ban it then we get the cornered animal analogy. It is also what the likes of ISIS and Al Qeada want.

Islam is not going to lighten up, it is locked in, designed as immune to reform.

Ultimately they won't care what we think and that is actually to their credit and to their loss as well.

yoke

DanDan6592 wrote: »

So no, they don't go on stabbing/shooting rampage then. You see these people form gangs, not become terrorists. Huge difference. Have you any evidence that all 3 of these countries have "major" problems with racism.

What do you think gangs do exactly? Sit around and discuss Brexit?
Have you ever taken a walk through Brixton? Knife crime was so common there for a while some years ago that it wasn’t even reported on the news. Man found dead at bottom of apartment block in brixton - no one cares, not even reported on the news. You are a moron if you think no young black non-Muslim men who are disillusioned and join gangs go on killing sprees.
Some of you may be old enough to remember that eye-gouging incident reported on the bus in London about 15 years ago - Yep, it was Brixton. So shut up saying they don’t go on sprees.

As for evidence of racism in those countries, just look up the number of racist/white supremacist metal/rock bands from those countries and you’ll see the problem for yourself (not saying anything against metal or rock, for the fans out there, just focusing on white supremacist music)

yoke

Danzy wrote: »

Because it is their local Mosque, their community centre, a massive part of their identity.

They are part of something.

And why do they feel that only their mosque is worth giving money to?
Why not give money to the local boxing club instead?

Danzy

yoke wrote: »

And why do they feel that only their mosque is worth giving money to?
Why not give money to the local boxing club instead?

Boxing is not their religion, not a core of their identity. That is common the world over. Community is not organised on boxing.

seamus

Danzy wrote: »

Not surprising you want that always with the gulags and mass murder.

It's true. I'm a demon for the gulags. Can't get enough of them!

p1akuw47h5r3it

yoke wrote: »

What do you think gangs do exactly? Sit around and discuss Brexit?
Have you ever taken a walk through Brixton? Knife crime was so common there for a while some years ago that it wasn’t even reported on the news. Man found dead at bottom of apartment block in brixton - no one cares, not even reported on the news. You are a moron if you think no young black non-Muslim men who are disillusioned and join gangs go on killing sprees.
Some of you may be old enough to remember that eye-gouging incident reported on the bus in London about 15 years ago - Yep, it was Brixton. So shut up saying they don’t go on sprees.

As for evidence of racism in those countries, just look up the number of racist/white supremacist metal/rock bands from those countries and you’ll see the problem for yourself (not saying anything against metal or rock, for the fans out there, just focusing on white supremacist music)

So you've no evidence whatsoever other than the number of rascist metal bands. Come back to me with some actually evidence please.

Most victims of knife crime in London are not some innocent people going about there business, they are involved in crime themselves. And they don't go on killing sprees regardless. Stabbing one person isn't a spree.

Regardless, racism isn't an excuse to join a gang or become a terrorist and go about stabbing and killing people.

MarkHenderson

Look the fact is this is the new normal. Most of these attacks are carried out by nutcase Muslims who have no direct connection to ISIS/Al Qaeda or any other flavor of the month Islamic groupings and tbh that's more worrying to me. We have vast amounts of Muslim mostly men who feel it's okay to go around killing us because we don't believe in or we take the piss out of their particular brand of sky fairy.

Personally speaking i don't want Ireland to end up like parts of France and think we should put strict limits on inward migration from Islamic countries. If that makes we a racist then so be it.

4068ac1elhodqr

The criminal (still on the loose) has x27 convictions across x3 EU states.
Perhaps the EU should smarten up on it's internal borders, nevermind it's already porous external borders (served by taxi boats and smugglers).

Technically Ireland, being an island, off another island, should be very safe compared to the EU mainland,
but then again the x4 lads that jumped out of a truck via Spainish port months ago in Co Laois, only showed up on the radar last week.

Franz Von Peppercorn

yoke wrote: »

Stories seem suspect? So you don’t believe that some of the Hindus or Chinese people who experience racism/hatred in the west would get radicalised, go back to India/China and spread racism/hatred there against the west?

Send me a PM if you are serious and you really don’t believe me

I’m engaged to an Indian woman. Send a pm if you want her story. Or don’t because I already gave her story. I should possibly have said the stories are not that representative, and we both have different anecdotes.

If racism exists in Ireland, expressed hatred and racism, it exists amongst the feral underclass and to tackle that would need a functioning police force and judiciary.