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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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snotboogie

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Another two fingers from BAM?

Maybe it’s their small way of putting the pressure on before the events centre funding decision. More than likely though it’s just them being as lazy/cost effective as possible while they wait for a decision. Hopefully the hotel will start early in the new year if there is positive news early next week rather than them also waiting out what will likely be a lengthy planning process for the Events Centre.

Roger Hassenforder

ofcork wrote: »

I see there are complaints about the mound of rubble left on sullivans quay now.

Another two fingers from BAM?

ofcork

I see there are complaints about the mound of rubble left on sullivans quay now.

Apogee

snotboogie wrote: »

December Update

Planning/Appealed

City Gate Plaza: JCD submitted for planning permission for the construction of an office development at the former Ma/Comm Site.

Cork City Council wrote:

Permission for demolition of an existing reservoir and reservoir building and the construction of an office development at the former Ma/Comm Site, Loughmahon Link Road, Mahon, Cork. The proposed development includes two office buildings; Block A will be four floors over ground floor allowing for terraces and Block B will be three floors over ground floor with terraces. The proposed development also includes a ground floor cafadditional car parking, bicycle shelters, security hut, bus shelters, waste management area, landscaping and all associated ancillary site works.

http://planning.corkcity.ie/AppFileRefDetails/1838036/0

Cork Boy 53

namloc1980 wrote: »

I have a feeling the NIMBY objections and uproar if/when BusConnects is being implemented will be multiples of the complaining over the relatively small public transport measure on Patrick Street.

There is absolutely no doubt about that unfortunately.:(

namloc1980

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Hi all,

This BusConnects/Cork Transport Plan cannot come fast enough.

Was left standing in the rain tonight in town for over an hour on the South Mall after the 216 failed to show up.

Then the 223 came along, at 21.20 and the driver informed us all that the bus was going back to the depot and he had no clue about when or if the 21.20 service would be operating.

Something has to be done. And fast. We can't put up with this third-world public transport system in our city any longer. If we all stand up, we'll get somewhere. Hopefully!

I have a feeling the NIMBY objections and uproar if/when BusConnects is being implemented will be multiples of the complaining over the relatively small public transport measure on Patrick Street.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Hi all,

This BusConnects/Cork Transport Plan cannot come fast enough.

Was left standing in the rain tonight in town for over an hour on the South Mall after the 216 failed to show up.

Then the 223 came along, at 21.20 and the driver informed us all that the bus was going back to the depot and he had no clue about when or if the 21.20 service would be operating.

Something has to be done. And fast. We can't put up with this third-world public transport system in our city any longer. If we all stand up, we'll get somewhere. Hopefully!

namloc1980

I know it's only a concept image but this really shows the challenge of trying to please everyone by building a rapid transit corridor and maintaining the greenway. Reducing it to a single line to squeeze both under the bridge immediately reduces capacity on the transit line.

questionmark?

cgcsb wrote: »

seems to be indicated on the photo montage with new train platforms outside Kent station offering better integration with the proposed luas. Get your train from Blackpool to Kent and get the luas to Mahon/City Gate in under a half hour, regardless of time of day.

Now that would be amazing.

cgcsb

Markcheese wrote: »

The sooner they upgrade the Midleton - Mallow rail line with extra stops at carrigtohil, Blackpool and near blarney the better...

seems to be indicated on the photo montage with new train platforms outside Kent station offering better integration with the proposed luas. Get your train from Blackpool to Kent and get the luas to Mahon/City Gate in under a half hour, regardless of time of day.

marno21

Markcheese wrote: »

The sooner they upgrade the Midleton - Mallow rail line with extra stops at carrigtohil, Blackpool and near blarney the better...

This is one of the low hanging fruit, reasonably costed proposals I am confident will be in the CMATS and hopefully can be implented without delay.

Markcheese

The sooner they upgrade the Midleton - Mallow rail line with extra stops at carrigtohil, Blackpool and near blarney the better...

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EnzoScifo wrote: »

Having a bridge from the blackpool station to the multistorey car park is a great idea it has to be said. Piggybacking on their facilities is a masterstroke.

That's been a part of that even when a hospital was thought of, at the sunbeam/dulux site. A skyway from the station to carpark and hospital

EnzoScifo

Having a bridge from the blackpool station to the multistorey car park is a great idea it has to be said. Piggybacking on their facilities is a masterstroke.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

questionmark? wrote: »

The trams would be too tall for their liking. Would have to be lowered to a height were you could crawl into them. Standing ruins the views!

If they don't complain about anything for a while, the government may stop funding them. Can't be having that!

Seriously though, why must they object to everything?

questionmark?

thejuggler wrote: »

Bet An Taisce would prefer if they remained in that state forever more

The trams would be too tall for their liking. Would have to be lowered to a height were you could crawl into them. Standing ruins the views!

whisky_galore

thejuggler wrote: »

Bet An Taisce would prefer if they remained in that state forever more

I don't know. You would have to ask them.

thejuggler

whisky_galore wrote: »

Not that there was an awful lot left, what was a ticket office and some ruins of a building that lost its roof decades ago.

Bet An Taisce would prefer if they remained in that state forever more

whisky_galore

beer enigma wrote: »

Overlayed the two images & looks like quite a bit of land being cut back, so I'm presuming the old station buildings will go

Not that there was an awful lot left, what was a ticket office and some ruins of a building that lost its roof decades ago.

snotboogie

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

To be even more simplistic about it: how do you remove cars from Douglas Road when houses are directly on it? Seems optimistic at best.

As has been said here before, I would have thought the best solution would be a bus lane and car lane going in each direction on both the Douglas and South Douglas Rd. You could probably also fit in a two way bike lane on the South Douglas Rd.

Imo it would need to be an integrated BRT system that people could trust and use to get to all of the important parts of the Cork metro area on. Half assed bus lanes operated by BE would be chaos. The pictures showing bikes in the Bus lanes pretty much confirms that it won't be BRT

Curb Your Enthusiasm

The front entrance signage for the new Maldron South Mall Hotel just went up in the past hour.

beer enigma

Overlayed the two images & looks like quite a bit of land being cut back, so I'm presuming the old station buildings will go

hans aus dtschl

cgcsb wrote: »

I'd just point out that metrolink, busconnects and DART expansion projects are now also behind schedule. There is a resourcing problem at the NTA and TII.

Exactly what I'm after hearing.

cgcsb

I'd just point out that metrolink, busconnects and DART expansion projects are now also behind schedule. There is a resourcing problem at the NTA and TII.

marno21

whisky_galore wrote: »

Our politicians who supposedly represent us would want to make a rattle or it'll be as good as dead.

In terms of Government city TDs

Well Simon Coveney does have other matters on his plate which, imo, he is dealing with quite well

And if your expecting much from Dara Murphy then you're only fooling yourself

whisky_galore

marno21 wrote: »

CMATS delayed until 2019

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Further-delays-to-Cork-LUAS-plan-with-new-2019-publication-date-aca94256-546e-4582-ac65-29dbcf4b3f4c-ds

No rush lads.

Our politicians who supposedly represent us would want to make a rattle or it'll be as good as dead.

whisky_galore

TheChizler wrote: »

I'm seriously sceptical of the scale on the Blackrock Line picture, to my eye it looks like they've visually squeezed two trams and a very wide path into half the space it would actually need. One would have to assume that Jacobs know what they're doing though...

Does it look like they're proposing merging the lines as they go under the bridges?

It appears to be a loop to allow trams to pass each other.

who_me

Thanks for the links!

JohnK wrote: »

http://3ddesignshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/12-kent-rail-station-amended-nov-14-2-1024x683-1165x665.jpg

Hah, I love how they've stolen the Samuel Beckett bridge in the background.

JohnK

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Anyone happen to download these before the company realised their error and disabled the URL?

marno21

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Anyone happen to download these before the company realised their error and disabled the URL?

Haha ****.

I guess that verifies that they were accurate.