kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
tuxy wrote: » SNP trying to push Labour to go for no confidence vote now. Labour holding off as they don't think they can win it right now.
robinph wrote: » What about the remain option which we've just been told is now possible after two years of being lied to about it not being possible?
Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: » i find it ironic that those liberals who always prattle on about people not exercising their democratic rights are the very one's to express shock and horror when the people do exactly that. cases in point: Brexit victory. Trump election.
J Mysterio wrote: » If ever a no confidence vote could be won, surely it is now.
Leroy42 wrote: » I always find it ironic that the side so convinced and vocal about project fear spend so much of their time sending out warnings of chaos
Rory28 wrote: » I was watching a few James O'Brien clips on youtube. One of his callers made this point and James had a great answer. Is this what people voted for? Did the people who voted to leave the EU but stay in the single market vote for this? Did the people who voted to become like the Swiss or the Norwegians etc etc. A second ref is the only decent thing to do to clear this mess up.
marno21 wrote: » Is it not perfectly acceptable for there to be a potential shift from one side to the other? After all the original referendum was a 52/48 result, and since then people have actually learned what they were voting for, there was a demographic shift, and it became clear that the binary referendum of 2016 had the remain option, where remainers voted for one common result, the status quo, and leavers voted for a wide spectrum of leave scenarios which they themselves cannot even agree on as seen on the C4 debate the last day (no deal/May deal/renegotiated deal or whether CU/SM memebership is wanted). If it was a case of we should rerun the referendum then why was the 2016 referendum allowed when it is effectively a rerun of the 1975 referendum? Was the will of the people in 1975 not enough?
Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: » marno21 wrote: » Is it not perfectly acceptable for there to be a potential shift from one side to the other? After all the original referendum was a 52/48 result, and since then people have actually learned what they were voting for, there was a demographic shift, and it became clear that the binary referendum of 2016 had the remain option, where remainers voted for one common result, the status quo, and leavers voted for a wide spectrum of leave scenarios which they themselves cannot even agree on as seen on the C4 debate the last day (no deal/May deal/renegotiated deal or whether CU/SM memebership is wanted). If it was a case of we should rerun the referendum then why was the 2016 referendum allowed when it is effectively a rerun of the 1975 referendum? Was the will of the people in 1975 not enough? but as demonstrated by the myriad of proposals here, the 2nd vote proponents cant even agree amongst themselves what should be on the ballot paper, even how the vote should be formulated.
An Ciarraioch wrote: » You put the three options, and the top two go through to a runoff, as happens in France.
Repeating her calls for a border poll during Leaders’ Questions, McDonald said uniting Ireland would remove the issue of the backstop.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Newsnight blog...https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1072520557403537408 Ireland is member of EU, that's why it has an abnormal say in this process...
Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: » why not have 5 options, with the top 3 going through to a runoff, followed by another runoff of the top 2?
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1072520557403537408[/url] Over the last few months Tory MPs have asked in private how the Irish Republic can believe its relationship with the EU trumps its relationship with the UK.
LeinsterDub wrote: » https://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-border-poll-4388094-Dec2018/ SF calling a border poll , this seems like very poor timing to me. This just gives the DUP ammo to claim that SF just want to see a hard brexit to bring about a UI
robinph wrote: » Well one option is remain then with 48% of the vote from the first time round, the leavers now get to pick which option they want and put that up against the remain option.
lawred2 wrote: » didn't really call for a border poll did they? they said a no deal crash out situation pushes a border poll forward.. hard to argue surely
She told reporters this morning that in the case of crash-out deal, a border poll should be called
"This simply cannot stand," the one-time moderniser told me. "The Irish really should know their place."
Seth Brundle wrote: » I'm curious to know what they think our place is (apart from being part of the team of 27).
tuxy wrote: » The problem for people like this is that Ireland does know it's place in the EU something the UK government always had trouble with.
