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Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

Rhineshark

kuro68k wrote: »

The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.

1. The EU
2. Remainers
3. Ireland
4. Corbyn

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serfboard

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

I honestly thought that this was an attempt by you at low grade humour, but no, you're right.

Off on a tangent, but the MP who asked the question, Rupa Huq, has a sister, Konnie Huq, who is a former persenter of Blue Peter, and who is married to Charlie Brooker (of Newswipe).

And people think we have an incestuous political/media circle here!

robindch

theguzman wrote: »

The EU have more to lose than the UK and the UK will mobilise patriotism take to hit rather than capitulate, they are a proud nation with a history of standing up to Dictators like this. The EU's treatment of the UK will only embolden countries like Italy and I would not be surprised to see an alternative to the EU forming shortly similar to how the EU was 25 years ago with a loose trading only bloc, Germany and France will of course be excluded. Nationalism and Patriotism is on the rise and with current moves in Asia and the ongoing trade war between the United States and China, more countries in the Visegrad region will move to leave the EU, which will flounder in the coming economic crisis anyway.

You left out Hal from 2001, the man on the moon and evil Prince Hanz from the film 'Frozen' in your grand, geopolitical handwave.

theguzman

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The real enemies are the likes of Russian backed Aaron banks and Nigel farage.

The likes of Russia and Farage are no enemy, Macron, Merkel, Verhostadt and Junker and their corrupt globalist liberal corporatist agenda are the enemy of the people. It takes a rare thing to unify the far left and the far right but both layed down their difference to fight the common enemy Macron in France.

Beechwoodspark

theguzman wrote: »

The EU have more to lose than the UK and the UK will mobilise patriotism take to hit rather than capitulate, they are a proud nation with a history of standing up to Dictators like this. The EU's treatment of the UK will only embolden countries like Italy and I would not be surprised to see an alternative to the EU forming shortly similar to how the EU was 25 years ago with a loose trading only bloc, Germany and France will of course be excluded. Nationalism and Patriotism is on the rise and with current moves in Asia and the ongoing trade war between the United States and China, more countries in the Visegrad region will move to leave the EU, which will flounder in the coming economic crisis anyway.

How were the U.K. treated badly by the EU? Please give specifics.

theguzman

Currently there is increased debate in Germany about the country attaining Nuclear Weapons.

https://www.politico.eu/article/german-bomb-debate-goes-nuclear-nato-donald-trump-defense-spending/

https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/opinion/hazardous-chemistry-germanys-dangerous-flirtation-with-nuclear-weapons/23582986.html?ticket=ST-49522-w9ZMPxQyXUhAO0vNSQ3C-ap2

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/nuclear-armed-germany-would-be-mistake-29047

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/08/why-germany-is-talking-about-getting-its-own-nuclear-weapons.html

They are currently trying to get their hands on the French stockpile of Hydrogen weapons via the EU Army. These are the same sycophants who cost the lives of hundreds of millions in the last century and are making moves to consolidate power across the continent again. History has shown they won't do it without armed conflict.

tuxy

theguzman wrote: »

they are a proud nation with a history of standing up to Dictators like this.

Can you think of any nation within the EU that is not proud and has not had to stand up for what they believe in over the course of history?

Beechwoodspark

theguzman wrote: »

No but we will force them into holding two second refernda on the exact same issues and lie to the Irish that everything is changed and we will also force the Irish to repay billions of unsecured German private bank bonds by turning private debt into Irish sovereign debt. Who needs enemies when you got friends like that?

There could not be a more despicable politicians in the world at the moment than Juncker, Verhofstadt and Mutti. An axis of true Evil if ever there was.

The real enemies are the likes of Russian backed Aaron banks and Nigel farage.

ilovesmybrick

Rjd2 wrote: »

I was watching this in the background, but did May discuss ejaculation their?:P

I honestly thought that this was an attempt by you at low grade humour, but no, you're right. From the Guardian live feed

British politics has finally cut all links with normality and drifted off into absurdity. In the Commons a moment ago Labour’s Rupa Huq described the decision to call off the vote as an act of “premature parliamentary ejaculation”. In response, Theresa May said that, if Huq were to look carefully, she would see that May is not capable of premature ejaculation.

God knows what they make of this nonsense in Brussels ...

steddyeddy

theguzman wrote: »

The EU have more to lose than the UK and the UK will mobilise patriotism take to hit rather than capitulate, they are a proud nation with a history of standing up to Dictators like this. The EU's treatment of the UK will only embolden countries like Italy and I would not be surprised to see an alternative to the EU forming shortly similar to how the EU was 25 years ago with a loose trading only bloc, Germany and France will of course be excluded. Nationalism and Patriotism is on the rise and with current moves in Asia and the ongoing trade war between the United States and China, more countries in the Visegrad region will move to leave the EU, which will flounder in the coming economic crisis anyway.

How was the UK treated badly? I never understand it when Brexiters say this so I'd be delighted if you could spell it out for me.

MrMusician18

serfboard wrote: »

Mr Robbins goes to Brussels:

OR: I'm here to seek "clarification" on the Backstop.
EU: The Backstop is the backstop.
OR: Grand so.

They might get a bit of explanatory text like we did with Lisbon. Unfortunately the issues they have are actually in the treaty, where as the issues we law with Lisbon were mostly spurious

theguzman

badtoro wrote: »

What are you on? (Substances)

The EU is not stopping UK leaving, just rightly telling them they may not have access to the club like the paid up members have.

Seriously.

The EU have more to lose than the UK and the UK will mobilise patriotism take to hit rather than capitulate, they are a proud nation with a history of standing up to Dictators like this. The EU's treatment of the UK will only embolden countries like Italy and I would not be surprised to see an alternative to the EU forming shortly similar to how the EU was 25 years ago with a loose trading only bloc, Germany and France will of course be excluded. Nationalism and Patriotism is on the rise and with current moves in Asia and the ongoing trade war between the United States and China, more countries in the Visegrad region will move to leave the EU, which will flounder in the coming economic crisis anyway.

Tell me how

MrMusician18 wrote: »

In the pantheon of political crises, where would we place this? Seems worse than the political crisis that surrounded our bailout, but not quite up there with the Greek one

In Ukraine, they use their fists within parliament to communicate their views quite regularly. Kind of like a game of interactiv charades.

They have done so also in Italy from time to time.

serfboard

Mr Robbins goes to Brussels:

OR: I'm here to seek "clarification" on the Backstop.
EU: The Backstop is the backstop.
OR: Grand so.

Fann Linn

theguzman wrote: »

It is a huge political crisis for the EU because the Franco/German empire is crumbling before their eyes and all attempts to bully and subjugate UK have failed and in words of the Rt. Hon Rev Ian Paisley there will be "No Surrender" and Arlene Foster has stood fast to that and I am sure the big guy himself would be proud of her on that. Verhofstad and Junker should realize that they will never break the Unionists in the way they destroyed the Greeks and the Southern Irish Government here.

Any comment on those Unionists slowly edging towards a United Ireland. Tick Tock.

All courtesy of Arlene & the DUP.

Kiith

badtoro wrote: »

What are you on? (Substances)

The EU is not stopping UK leaving, just rightly telling them they may not have access to the club like the paid up members have.

Seriously.

Don't bother even replying to it. Utter nonsense.

Laois_Man

robindch wrote: »

Going out on a limb here, but I'd imagine they said "No!".

I didn't ask what their stance was!

badtoro

theguzman wrote: »

It is a huge political crisis for the EU because the Franco/German empire is crumbling before their eyes and all attempts to bully and subjugate UK have failed and in words of the Rt. Hon Rev Ian Paisley there will be "No Surrender" and Arlene Foster has stood fast to that and I am sure the big guy himself would be proud of her on that. Verhofstad and Junker should realize that they will never break the Unionists in the way they destroyed the Greeks and the Southern Irish Government here.

What are you on? (Substances)

The EU is not stopping UK leaving, just rightly telling them they may not have access to the club like the paid up members have.

Seriously.

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1072193293956587520

Here comes Tony.

I can only imagine the conversations that are going on amongst the EU leaders right now...

robindch

Laois_Man wrote: »

I came to this a little late. Has anyone from the DUP spoken yet?

Going out on a limb here, but I'd imagine they said "No!".

theguzman

It is a huge political crisis for the EU because the Franco/German empire is crumbling before their eyes and all attempts to bully and subjugate UK have failed and in words of the Rt. Hon Rev Ian Paisley there will be "No Surrender" and Arlene Foster has stood fast to that and I am sure the big guy himself would be proud of her on that. Verhofstad and Junker should realize that they will never break the Unionists in the way they destroyed the Greeks and the Southern Irish Government here.

Water John

Tusk has done right, cut her time. she given the full answer from the EU by Friday no reason for not going back to the HoC next week.

MrMusician18

In the pantheon of political crises, where would we place this? Seems worse than the political crisis that surrounded our bailout, but not quite up there with the Greek one

megatron989

theguzman wrote: »

No but we will force them into holding two second refernda on the exact same issues and lie to the Irish that everything is changed and we will also force the Irish to repay billions of unsecured German private bank bonds by turning private debt into Irish sovereign debt. Who needs enemies when you got friends like that?

There could not be a more despicable politicians in the world at the moment than Juncker, Verhofstadt and Mutti. An axis of true Evil if ever there was.

What are you on about lad? Absolute rubbish.
So if you don't understand something (the EU in your case) you just go ahead and make up whatever you like? Brexit is for you so.

Fann Linn

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1072190546863669248

Turning the screw. I like.

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1072190546863669248

serfboard

theguzman wrote: »

No but we will force them into holding two second refernda on the exact same issues and lie to the Irish that everything is changed and we will also force the Irish to repay billions of unsecured German private bank bonds by turning private debt into Irish sovereign debt. Who needs enemies when you got friends like that?

This thread was getting boring.

Thankfully there's a bit of Irexit to liven up the place :rolleyes:

BonnieSituation

theguzman wrote: »

No but we will force them into holding two second refernda on the exact same issues and lie to the Irish that everything is changed and we will also force the Irish to repay billions of unsecured German private bank bonds by turning private debt into Irish sovereign debt. Who needs enemies when you got friends like that?

There could not be a more despicable politicians in the world at the moment than Juncker, Verhofstadt and Mutti. An axis of true Evil if ever there was.

I'm just so glad we have benevolent leaders like Farage, JRM and Raab to show us the way.

theguzman

Thargor wrote: »

Good to hear anyway:

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1072129699449589760

No but we will force them into holding two second refernda on the exact same issues and lie to the Irish that everything is changed and we will also force the Irish to repay billions of unsecured German private bank bonds by turning private debt into Irish sovereign debt. Who needs enemies when you got friends like that?

There could not be a more despicable politicians in the world at the moment than Juncker, Verhofstadt and Mutti. An axis of true Evil if ever there was.

Rjd2

I was watching this in the background, but did May discuss ejaculation their?:P

Mr.Nice Guy

If May's strategy is to delay the vote so that it comes down to a stark choice between her deal or no deal, well, in that case I can't wait to see what that means for the next set of polls on Scottish independence.

The Scots, who were told during the independence referendum that they should vote No to independence to safeguard their place in the EU, and who had a 62% Remain vote in the Brexit referendum, are now facing the prospect of either a) May's deal being approved - which sees them leave the EU and watch NI attain a more advantageous position, despite NI not having as high a Remain vote as the Scots - or b) crashing out of the EU in a No Deal Brexit, which would again mean leaving the EU but see a huge hit to the Scottish economy.

Either way, Scotland gets shafted. The case for a new Scottish independence referendum has surely never been higher since 2014.