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Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

Rhineshark

kuro68k wrote: »

The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.

1. The EU
2. Remainers
3. Ireland
4. Corbyn

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Professor Moriarty

Shelga wrote: »

Why does the speaker of the house always bellow so theatrically like that?? Does my head in. “PRIME MINISTEEEEEEEEER!!!”

The Attorney General was far worse.

Mr.Nice Guy

Interesting response from May there to Iain Duncan Smith. Said renegotiating the WA would result in new things on the table, including an NI-specific customs arrangement.

Is it possible May will now seek to offload the DUP altogether by looking to renegotiate to the original backstop that was proposed last December?

Professor Moriarty

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Interesting response from May there to Iain Duncan Smith. Said renegotiating the WA would result in new things on the table, including an NI-specific customs arrangement.

Is it possible May will now seek to offload the DUP altogether by looking to renegotiate to the original backstop that was proposed last December?

As usual, the obvious is being missed by the Tories. Renegotiation isn't a one way street.

BonnieSituation

Laois_Man wrote: »

May has given a sting hint there that she wants to effectively cut N. Ireland adrift

How so?

4068ac1elhodqr

Suppose this comedy act from the Torys is good for the EU, it will delay the Italians from leaving, by at least a couple of years.

Hurrache

Tony Connelly has an interesting take on it.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1072158171534450688

Kiith

Going back to the public would lead to a lack of faith in the government?

Hah, bit too late for that PM

Rjd2

Water John wrote: »

Bercow is embarrassing the Govn't into having a vote.

A lot of bad blood between him and the front bench so obviously going to have some fun with this. He and Leadsom absolutely loath each other.
The ERG, SNP, Labour and 2nd vote people are reveling in this craziness.

Laois_Man

BonnieSituation wrote: »

How so?

I am speaking in terms of the hard border down the Irish sea

she gave a strong hint that she might be prepared to make that concession, tell the DUP to F off and hope to find support from another source

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Dear lord..... Dennis Skinner HATES the EU..........

nuac

Have to admire May's courage to trying to see this through.
More balls than most of the Tories

Mr.Nice Guy

If renegotiating the backstop would now mean renegotiating back to the original backstop proposal last year, it's a tactic that could gain support in Brussels, after all they originally weren't offering a UK-wide customs arrangement. The obvious downside for May is that she'd leave herself open to the charge of doing what she was previously suggesting 'no British PM could ever sign up to': a customs border down the Irish sea. It would likely go down well with the likes of Liam Fox who want to get on with doing trade deals with the US and elsewhere ASAP, but probably not so much with the majority of her party.

I don't suppose she was being serious in putting it out there. More likely it was a kite floated to spook those unhappy with her current deal.

LeinsterDub

nuac wrote: »

Have to admire May's courage to trying to see this through.
More balls than most of the Tories

There is a thin line between courage and foolishness .

McGiver

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

If renegotiating the backstop would now mean renegotiating back to the original backstop proposal last year, it's a tactic that could gain support in Brussels, after all they originally weren't offering a UK-wide customs arrangement. The obvious downside for May is that she'd leave herself open to the charge of doing what she was previously suggesting 'no British PM could ever sign up to': a customs border down the Irish sea. It would likely go down well with the likes of Liam Fox who want to get on with doing trade deals with the US and elsewhere ASAP, but probably not so much with the majority of her party.

I don't suppose she was being serious in putting it out there. More likely it was a kite floated to spook those unhappy with her current deal.

That means a harder Brexit essentially, not in Irish interest or the EU27 as a whole either.

nuac

Meanwhile while this matter of national importance is being discussed in Westminster, Yates is on about transport in Dublin.

Laois_Man

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

If renegotiating the backstop would now mean renegotiating back to the original backstop proposal last year, it's a tactic that could gain support in Brussels, after all they originally weren't offering a UK-wide customs arrangement. The obvious downside for May is that she'd leave herself open to the charge of doing what she was previously suggesting 'no British PM could ever sign up to': a customs border down the Irish sea. It would likely go down well with the likes of Liam Fox who want to get on with doing trade deals with the US and elsewhere ASAP, but probably not so much with the majority of her party.

I don't suppose she was being serious in putting it out there. More likely it was a kite floated to spook those unhappy with her current deal.

She was being serious!
There is no chance that they are going to agree to the current deal!

DOCARCH

Kiith wrote: »

Going back to the public would lead to a lack of faith in the government?

Hah, bit too late for that PM

I think that ship sailed sometime ago and has hit an iceberg!

nuac

LeinsterDub wrote: »

There is a thin line between courage and foolishness .

She seems have more cop-on than Boris

Laois_Man

I came to this a little late. Has anyone from the DUP spoken yet?

Enzokk

Shelga wrote: »

Why does the speaker of the house always bellow so theatrically like that?? Does my head in. “PRIME MINISTEEEEEEEEER!!!”

Remember we are hearing it with the benefit of microphones and he has to shout to be heard over the noise in the chamber. If there is a quieter debate you will hear him at a more moderate level.

Mr.Nice Guy

Laois_Man wrote: »

She was being serious!
There is no chance that they are going to agree to the current deal!

Perhaps her hope is that the more time goes by, and the UK faces up to the prospect of a No Deal Brexit, and the EU continue to insist there will be no substantial renegotiation, most will then change their mind.

J Mysterio

Absolutely mind boggling.

May:

'Backstop ia temporary but we are going to go back to EU to... be reassured that backstop is temporary'

What?

Mc Love

Shelga wrote: »

Why does the speaker of the house always bellow so theatrically like that?? Does my head in. “PRIME MINISTEEEEEEEEER!!!”

I love it, sort of reminds me of those speakers in the movies at the Roman Senate.

JEREMY CORBYYYYYYYYYYYN

He'll be gone soon, he's finishing up in the summer

Professor Moriarty

This from May's speech:

So if you want a second referendum to overturn the result of the first, be honest that this risks dividing the country again, when as a House we should be striving to bring it back together.
If you want to remain part of the single market and the customs union, be open that this would require free movement, rule-taking across the economy, and ongoing financial contributions – none of which are in my view compatible with the result of the referendum.
If you want to leave without a deal, be upfront that in the short term, this would cause significant economic damage to parts of our country who can least afford to bear the burden.
I do not believe that any of those courses of action command a majority in this House.

She's spot on. Unfortunately, she neglected to mention that her deal doesn't command a majority in the House either.

briany

Mc Love wrote: »

I love it, sort of reminds me of those speakers in the movies at the Roman Senate.

JEREMY CORBYYYYYYYYYYYN

He'll be gone soon, he's finishing up in the summer

Speaker of the House looks like the most fun position in the HoC.

DOCARCH

J Mysterio wrote: »

Absolutely mind boggling.

May:

'Backstop ia temporary but we are going to go back to EU to... be reassured that backstop is temporary'

What?

It is temporary....temporary until a trade deal is agreed with the EU (and in effect).

Rjd2

May has had a bad day (no **** sherlock) but so far and despite some fine politicians questioning her, I don't think any of them have landed a knock out blow to her which is odd as its not as if they don't have much material to work with.

Laois_Man

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Perhaps her hope is that the more time goes by, and the UK faces up to the prospect of a No Deal Brexit, and the EU continue to insist there will be no substantial renegotiation, most will then change their mind.

I think the majority would be far happier to say let N. Ireland go to hell

Few of them give a toss about it!

Professor Moriarty

J Mysterio wrote: »

Absolutely mind boggling.

May:

'Backstop ia temporary but we are going to go back to EU to... be reassured that backstop is temporary'

What?

Leo said today that the deal wasn't open to renegotiation but "clarifications" were possible.

Enzokk

As to the proceeding so far, anyone have any idea what is happening? They will go back to negotiate a deal that cannot be changed according to her own words last week. They have delayed the vote on the deal to an undetermined date. They could take this all the way down to 28th March if they wanted to.

She could take it down to the wire and dare the MPs to vote for no deal because the amendment that the HoC must have a vote to stop no deal would then not come into effect.

https://twitter.com/HouseofCommons/status/1072139351168114688

https://twitter.com/DavideSands/status/1072139744971239424

This on the Grieve amendment,

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1072162836846178304

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1072162964629786626