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Taken Down [RTE]

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PeterDuggan wrote: »

Taken Down (from the makers of LoveHate) starts on RTOne on Sun, 4/11/18 at 9.30pm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYIKojkr9_U

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RabbleRouser2k

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

They didn't even show an ad after the credits for the DVD release Friday week, do they think it bombed?

I think so-plus there's been a recent shift away from dvd boxsets (by the likes of RTE, and others such as the Simpsons). They're more inclined to do digital boxsets similar to Netflix.So no more physical boxsets, but I saw they're advertising the 'boxset' on the RTE player- as in no physical copies.

Decided to watch the last episode. I've missed it since episode 3. And it continued to disappoint. (Did the lead miscarry? Was there something about the loss of a baby? Seemed the male actor was more upset than she was... terrible acting).

There was some good scenes-the death of the girl sequence for one was well shot.

Why couldn't the rest of the show be like that-the supporting cast were often the best thing about the show-the main cast were awful. (And Don Wycherley popped up to play the most stereotypical 'c'ntree' Garda chief ever. He was terrible in it. Hard to believe the crap material he's gotten since Batchelor's Walk).

I checked twitter-the majority of the praise for the show came from people who worked on the show. Others were making comments like 'Was there an ending edited out of that show?' and others noting how slow it was. The last episode could have been a one off mini-film. Not a series. It didn't need a series.

But they did something soooo stupid--they planned for another series. It's arrogance to assume you'll get another series based on the first one.
And just to highlight how little faith RTE had in the series, they were already advertising another mini-series, Resistance, when not allowing the finale to supposedly 'sink-in'.
(And it will also star the lesser Gleeson in that one-so that was confusing).

It's a damn shame-the 'non-Irish' characters were completely let down by the supposed protagonists.

Atlantic Dawn

They didn't even show an ad after the credits for the DVD release Friday week, do they think it bombed?

spurshero

Very disappointing end show . If that’s meant to leave ya excited for next series it’s in big trouble

prunudo

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Episode 3, at 3 mins there's a different Passat with man scene, not what was shown tonight as no vehicle passed him tonight...
https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/taken-down-30006504/10965665/

Thats some pretty poor continuity if it was supposed to be the same car.

Atlantic Dawn

Episode 3, at 3 mins there's a different Passat with man scene, not what was shown tonight as no vehicle passed him tonight...
https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/taken-down-30006504/10965665/

Icsics

What a disgraceful ending, won't be watching another series of that.

Atlantic Dawn

The Gardaí had dashcam footage in the second/third episode showing a man in the passenger side door area of the Passat and they got the reg from that, this never happened in this episode, not a single car passed while he was getting her out of the car, I'm confused, was there a 2nd Passat with another man?

mr_edge_to_you

That was poor enough. I have to confess if they go for a series 2 pitching the Guards against Gar, I’d definitely be up for it.

castletownman

I can get over the poor accents and the shoddiness of some of the "home" acting as I thought the explanation of Esme's death was very well done, and actually emotional.

The poor girl.

Although I don't know how the lead detective would have such a lightbulb moment by Marvellous writing with her left hand for literally the length of the time it took to sign a form. Must have some attention for the finer details.

Andrew00

Is that it? Jesus, that was absolutely awful.

[Deleted User]

You would kind of wonder about who encouraged the cast to pursue their acting careers..

mr_edge_to_you

ednwireland wrote: »

male garda are all culchies only women are street wise and sassy

It’s a shocking culchie accent though.

ednwireland

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

Don Wycherley’s accent is shocking - makes the whole thing look amateurish.

male garda are all culchies only women are street wise and sassy

mr_edge_to_you

Don Wycherley’s accent is shocking - makes the whole thing look amateurish.

[Deleted User]

It's so bad..

Andrew00

This is s*ite

Atlantic Dawn

Are they showing what should have been the first episode now, lol, confusing as fook.

[Deleted User]

You'd wonder how it obviously got a second season before it aired..and who the jaysus called it a new standard of Irish drama or whatever..really, it's like someone decided to do a crossover between roots and the keystone cops and set it some modern day feminist dystopian Dublin..and then said, put one of those ginger Gleeson lads in it..

bodhrandude

The Late Late Show wrote: »

Taken Down is the direct opposite of Love/Hate. This is mainly because it is written for the most part by someone else, because it is in line with RTE's new sanitised agenda for drama and features no iconic character like Nidge or Fran.

Love/Hate pushed the boundaries and went where other dramas were and sadly now are again afraid to. As said before, I do not watch or enjoy the likes of Dancing With The Stars or Daniel and Majella's B&B Roadtrip but do enjoy gritty crime and dystopian dramas. Why then are RTE making crime dramas for the first audience and not for the second? All those who do not enjoy 'torture porn' or whatever they like to call it should stick with Daniel and Majella and the Dancing thing and let crime and dystopian drama fans watch proper stuff and not watered down rubbish.

Its a crime drama alright but on the seedier side of sex trafficking and not really the same content as Love Hate at all, the only connection being both have brothels in the programme, nether is it dystopian its about present day Dublin. I'm interested to see what the finale brings, I've got a feeling they will have to release Wayne on some technicality.

Imhof Tank

Gar to underage, trafficked, Flora on her initiation: "Well now, I'm goin to give ye............ an auld lash"

Late Late Show - you really think that's tame??

Atlantic Dawn

One plus which Taken Down has going for it is that the Garda focused setup allows the next series to be a completely new storyline involving a more Love/Hate style drugs gangs instead.

FrancieBrady

The Late Late Show wrote: »

Taken Down is the direct opposite of Love/Hate. This is mainly because it is written for the most part by someone else, because it is in line with RTE's new sanitised agenda for drama and features no iconic character like Nidge or Fran.

Love/Hate pushed the boundaries and went where other dramas were and sadly now are again afraid to. As said before, I do not watch or enjoy the likes of Dancing With The Stars or Daniel and Majella's B&B Roadtrip but do enjoy gritty crime and dystopian dramas. Why then are RTE making crime dramas for the first audience and not for the second? All those who do not enjoy 'torture porn' or whatever they like to call it should stick with Daniel and Majella and the Dancing thing and let crime and dystopian drama fans watch proper stuff and not watered down rubbish.

I think Love/Hate 'pushed boundaries' for people who don't watch much drama tbh.

It really didn't push anything.
Dramas that successfully 'push boundaries' generally make it big around the world, if not with the public then certainly critically. And L/H, didn't go anywhere near that.

Your continued lament for the lack of graphic violence is bewildering too. This series set it's style early on and it just isn't concerned with that.

[Deleted User]

It's watchable but there's a seeming p1sstake of AGS going on..... when you acknowledge/presume that's not the case it's a bit sh1t.
But then, the first time I saw Willie O'Dea on TV I thought that was a p1sstake too.

The Late Late Show

Deleted User wrote: »

But Francie, it is unusual to see such a radical departure from Love/Hate given that its the same team involved. Love/hate pushed the boundaries whereas this pushes a bit of an agenda.

David Simon is an example of writing style staying consistent with the Wire, the Deuce, Homocide, etc. It remained true to his style of writing and every character was told from every angle

Taken Down is the direct opposite of Love/Hate. This is mainly because it is written for the most part by someone else, because it is in line with RTE's new sanitised agenda for drama and features no iconic character like Nidge or Fran.

Love/Hate pushed the boundaries and went where other dramas were and sadly now are again afraid to. As said before, I do not watch or enjoy the likes of Dancing With The Stars or Daniel and Majella's B&B Roadtrip but do enjoy gritty crime and dystopian dramas. Why then are RTE making crime dramas for the first audience and not for the second? All those who do not enjoy 'torture porn' or whatever they like to call it should stick with Daniel and Majella and the Dancing thing and let crime and dystopian drama fans watch proper stuff and not watered down rubbish.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

But Francie, it is unusual to see such a radical departure from Love/Hate given that its the same team involved.

It's not really in either the film or theatre world. Why you would expect the same in a television environment escapes me.
This series is about the same in terms of writing or production values as Love/Hate. That L/H garnered the love of a certain viewing audience has to be taken into account. While it reached a good standard, it was neither original or groundbreaking.

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

:rolleyes:

I go to theatre all the time that is sold as 'from the writer of XXXXXXX' or 'from the producers of XXXXXXX' and I would never expect the same thing again as XXXXXXXX. That is just silly.
Carolan has tried something different, it isn't wholly successful, has the same faults as L/H.

Your ultimatum (bolded) to RTE is hilarious. :D Nobody can produce drama for consumers like you tbh.

But Francie, it is unusual to see such a radical departure from Love/Hate given that its the same team involved. Love/hate pushed the boundaries whereas this pushes a bit of an agenda.

David Simon is an example of writing style staying consistent with the Wire, the Deuce, Homocide, etc. It remained true to his style of writing and every character was told from every angle

Atlantic Dawn

I see it's being release on futuristic DVD in 2 weeks time, bit of a risk taking the leap from VHS...
https://ebuzz.ie/products/taken-down-dvd

FrancieBrady

The Late Late Show wrote: »

My problem is not that the series isn't something else (afterall, Love/Hate is not The Handmaid's Tale, neither of them 2 are Peaky Blinders, and neither of those 3 are McMafia but they are all good, different and professionally made). There are a lot of things wrong with Taken Down ranging from a deliberate tameness (which should never be in a crime or dystopian drama any more than we should see violence in Mary Poppins or The Sound of Music) to some very poor acting and cliches (the Gardai).

And Love Hate suffered from the same thing. Too much violence and cliche galore.

This is good drama (Taken Down) it isn't brilliant or groundbreaking, but well worth investing in by a broadcaster, in it's own right and without having to live up to anything else.

The Late Late Show

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Personal bullying'? 'Abusive'? What are you on about?

I countered your opinion that 'from the makers of Love/Hate' somehow gave you the right to expect Love/Hate. It's a ridiculous opinion tbph.

I also found your ultimatum to RTE 'to give us Love/Hate 2 or else' ridiculous and simply said so.

Your only problem with this series is that it isn't something else. How could anyone satisfy that critical appreciation?

My problem is not that the series isn't something else (afterall, Love/Hate is not The Handmaid's Tale, neither of them 2 are Peaky Blinders, and neither of those 3 are McMafia but they are all good, different and professionally made). There are a lot of things wrong with Taken Down ranging from a deliberate tameness (which should never be in a crime or dystopian drama any more than we should see violence in Mary Poppins or The Sound of Music) to some very poor acting and cliches (the Gardai).

FrancieBrady

The Late Late Show wrote: »

Why the personal bullying? My views are EVERY BIT as relevant as yours and I don't get abusive to other posters including yourself. Who said I wanted bloody Taken Down to be a carbon copy of Love/Hate but I expected it to be made in the same bloody spirit which it CLEARLY is not. It is tame, poorly acted and looks cheap. It is cheaply made and we know RTE do not have the money because they are paying their presenters the money that could be spent on drama. If something is from the makers of X, then it is EXPECTED it is to be the SAME QUALITY as X.

Nobody can produce drama for consumers like me????!!!! Love/Hate, The Handmaid's Tale, Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, McMafia, Charlie, Strumpet City, Dallas old series, Dallas 2012-13 series, Gotham, etc, etc. prove otherwise!! That is a lot more than nobody! Plus they are different types of drama and none is a copy of the other.

'Personal bullying'? 'Abusive'? What are you on about?

I countered your opinion that 'from the makers of Love/Hate' somehow gave you the right to expect Love/Hate. It's a ridiculous opinion tbph.

I also found your ultimatum to RTE 'to give us Love/Hate 2 or else' ridiculous and simply said so.

Your only problem with this series is that it isn't something else. How could anyone satisfy that critical appreciation?