kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
Rjd2 wrote: » This is a pretty bland debate so far, Cleverly is slick but this is a horror role for him tonight as he getting tore apart by the other 3. Gardiner is not great either, a lot of waffle and does not seem engaged. Mogg and Lucas will be happy enough with their performances so far.
amacca wrote: » Any accuracy in the claim that a 2nd referendum would see a younger cohort of remain voters anxious to have their say........the ones who supposedly took it for granted the last time assuming a remain victory. Or is that all poppycock!
Headshot wrote: » Man I must of not been keeping up with the news, I was hoping May and Corbyn were debating instead we have the bloody likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg who I absolutely hate with a passion.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Sunday Times reporting May is to delay the vote on Tuesday so she can demand concessions on the backstop at the meeting of EU leaders on Thursday. Looks like the EU's solidarity with Ireland is about to be tested once and for all.
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » In fairness I heard an author of a book on Brexit mentioning a huge factor with the British is when though they won WW 2 they never actually felt they had as Germany, Italy and Japans economy boomed in the years after the war and Britain’s didn’t. And that resentment is still there.
J Mysterio wrote: » Peter Hitchens has released an Interesting book i intend to read: The Phoney Victory. He argues that Churchill has been overly glorified and his decisions have not seen much useful critical analysis. He argues that WWII cost Britain the Empire and is a 'phoney victory', a phyrric victory I guess. I don't agree with everything he says, particularly RE Ireland, but he is intelligent and erudite in his own way.
prawnsambo wrote: » What was the alternative? Capitulating to Germany? Either way, the empire was gone.
Water John wrote: » That sub line up is fairly pathetic.
Captain Obvious wrote: » Well the opposition isn't up to much either.
J Mysterio wrote: » Well, I havent read it yet, but I think the point is that resources weren't always used effectively and the national consciousness/ psyche is too invested in WW2 as a great victory. I just think that angle is interesting in the context of Brexit insofar as the EU is often referred to in alegoric terms with reference to the war and the Germans 'using the EU to take over again'.
Leroy42 wrote: » Didn't get the chance to watch the C4 debate. What are peoples opinions of an outcome, if any?
Folkstonian wrote: » Every country has opt outs in certain areas. Every country votes in accordance with its own interests in the council and in the parliament. Have you called out Germany for pushing extreme economic liberalism for the last few decades despite the deeply harmful impact this has had on many smaller, less wealthy member states? Have you called out France for aggressively pursuing a protectionist economic policy despite a majority of member states publicly stating that this is not in their best interests? If you are prepared to single out and vilify the U.K. whilst all other countries engage in the same activity, you are a xenophobe.
dr.fuzzenstein wrote: » Unfortunate attitude from the UK. It is a bit of a joke in Germany that the Brits can't see past WW2. Only a Brit would say "two world wars and one world cup" to a German. This goes right down to politics and their "we'll never bow down to Gerry!" attitude. As another poster put it, "we'd rather die standing up than live on our knees". What absolute drivel and exactly the kind of unconstructive verbal diarrhea engaged in by the leave side. Inventing a conflict that just doesn't exist. I want to make a few points. First, I am really, really glad that Germany lost the war. Secondly, according to the Brits, they singlehandedly defeated Germany, but it has to be said that, well, no. But aside from that, look at Europe. Germany, Austria, Hungary, France, Sweden, Poland, well, pretty much every country has fought with every country in countless bloody and bitter wars over thousands of years. Europe is soaked in the blood of millions and millions of people. I'm sure you could cover all of it in several inches of bone dust. You don't find Europeans talking to each other about whatever battles were fought several hundred years ago. If every European country hung onto old grievances or former glories like the UK did, there would still be perpetual war here. A Brit would mention the war (pun intended), but Poles, French, Dutch, Norwegians, Belgians, well any surrounding country never would. That's not because they feel intimidated by the evil German standing in front of them, but because it would never enter our heads to do so. We don't forget the past, but we don't dig it up every single time we meet someone we've had a beef with. We'd get nothing done. And it's not just evil Germany, many other countries had designs on becoming world leaders. Spain, France, Italy, Sweden, to name but a few. Brexit came about because the Brexiteers live in a glorious past that doesn't exist outside history books and old movies shown at Christmas time where they bloody well showed the Hun what for and make no mistake! They should try inhabiting the 20th century first and then gradually work their way up to the 21st. I love and admire the UK. I've been there, knew a lot of Brits in Ireland and who wouldn't love their culture and definitely their music. And no one does comedy better. They have helped shaped the world we know today. What surprises me is that this regressive attitude hasn't always been there, but right now it seems to be very en vogue internationally to be right leaning and isolationist.
dr.fuzzenstein wrote: » As another poster put it, "we'd rather die standing up than live on our knees". What absolute drivel and exactly the kind of unconstructive verbal diarrhea engaged in by the leave side.
Leroy42 wrote: » Didn't get the chance to watch the C4 debate. What are peoples opinions of an outcome, if any? From what I can gather from opinion polls and vox pops is that few people are changing their minds and if they haven't to date nothing anyone if saying, on either side, is really going to make a difference. On a different point, I see the starting pistol on the race to replace TM has already started with each of Johnson, Raab and McVey clearly signaling their intent on the Sunday morning interviews. It seems a long time ago now but at the early stages of this the tories were claiming that telling anyone about their plans, the effect on the economy, transport etc would be handing the initiative to the EU. Now it seems it is perfectly OK to let the EU know that whatever they agree with TM is worthless as she won't be around long enough.
