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Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

Rhineshark

kuro68k wrote: »

The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.

1. The EU
2. Remainers
3. Ireland
4. Corbyn

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Daemonic

RobMc59 wrote: »

If there is a hard brexit, what will happen to UK owned companies with facilities in the EU,-taking into account some of these companies may do their biggest business outside the EU?Will they be forced to move?-Because one of those companies is Guinness doesn't make it a "special case"and can stay .In addition ,the UK may not be trading through the EU then.

If you're asking if a company who is based in the UK but produces one of it's products in a EU country will have problems continuing to do that, then no, they won't.
They'll have a company registered in the manufacturing location and will just continue to use that. Diageo Ireland has it headquarters at St James Gate - https://search.cro.ie/company/CompanyDetails.aspx?id=22876&type=C

EDIT: the CRO website doesn't allow a direct link, but if you put Diageo into the Company search, the second item is Diageo Ireland. I'd suggest a search for the vast majority of UK companies will return a similar Irish registered entity.

Dont be at yourself

I think Diageo will be more concerned about selling their vast array of Scotch whiskys to the rest of the EU (and beyond). Irish Whiskey, of which Diageo has no real market share, is already the fastest growing spirit in the world, and this could be a further tailwind.

Whisky production is a long-term investment, and when the whiskeys on shelves now were being distilled, Brexit wasn't even a likely prospect. I imagine the uncertainty since the vote has made planning along these time horizons a real headache.

Water John

Lots of options still there when TM's Deal is voted down. Here is Prodi giving strong hints to that effect.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/08/eu-will-negotiate-after-may-loses-commons-brexit-vote-says-prodi

An Ciarraioch

Water John wrote: »

Lots of options still there when TM's Deal is voted down. Here is Prodi giving strong hints to that effect.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/08/eu-will-negotiate-after-may-loses-commons-brexit-vote-says-prodi

One of the better British correspondents in Brussels suggests the exact opposite:

http://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1071371955624906753

Gerry T

Water John wrote: »

Lots of options still there when TM's Deal is voted down. Here is Prodi giving strong hints to that effect.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/08/eu-will-negotiate-after-may-loses-commons-brexit-vote-says-prodi

First enough of the guinness nonsense. It's a total non story, the UK guinness market is small and Guinness isn't moving there.

I wouldn't necessarily pay a lot of heed to what Prodi is saying. The EU has nothing to gain by going back to the table, they must know the UK would see that as a victory and the negotiation would move to extending A50 and more concessions, even then a deal would prove elusive. If the UK don't take the transition deal on offer then why delay a hard brexit to Dec2020, just have it Mar2019

Water John

The EU would certainly be up for a Norway + style deal or the Crobyn option of permanent CU, but you'll see no move in the next week/ten days.

EdgeCase

Gerry T wrote: »

First enough of the guinness nonsense. It's a total non story, the UK guinness market is small and Guinness isn't moving there.

I wouldn't necessarily pay a lot of heed to what Prodi is saying. The EU has nothing to gain by going back to the table, they must know the UK would see that as a victory and the negotiation would move to extending A50 and more concessions, even then a deal would prove elusive. If the UK don't take the transition deal on offer then why delay a hard brexit to Dec2020, just have it Mar2019

I agree the Guinness thing is nonsense. It's one beverage in a huge multinational company, Diageo. It's not even a massive product in Britain. All it will mean is the price of Guinness and pretty much every other imported beer, wine and spirit in Britain will go up significantly and if £ takes a significant tumble, they'll become even more expensive relative to UK average income.

Diageo major concern would be UK-produced products notably (as mentioned above) Scotch Whisky which has a major EU market and may be impacted in non-EU markets due to the UK no longer being part of EU global trade deals.

Professor Moriarty

Water John wrote: »

The EU would certainly be up for a Norway + style deal or the Crobyn option of permanent CU, but you'll see no move in the next week/ten days.

Indeed they would but there are a few problems. Norway don't want the UK in th EEA. Also, the Norway option means that the UK agrees to the four freedoms so if they add a customs union, i.e. Norway +, then they would be far better off remaining. Norway contributes nearly as much per head to the EU as Britain does currently but they have no real decision making powers. If the UK goes for the Norway option it will take up to a year to finalise. Finally, it's true that a lot MPs want a Norway deal but many of them want it as a temporary measure - there is no way the EU would agree to that.

J Mysterio

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RobMc59

Daemonic wrote: »

If you're asking if a company who is based in the UK but produces one of it's products in a EU country will have problems continuing to do that, then no, they won't.
They'll have a company registered in the manufacturing location and will just continue to use that. Diageo Ireland has it headquarters at St James Gate - https://search.cro.ie/company/CompanyDetails.aspx?id=22876&type=C

EDIT: the CRO website doesn't allow a direct link, but if you put Diageo into the Company search, the second item is Diageo Ireland. I'd suggest a search for the vast majority of UK companies will return a similar Irish registered entity.

THANK YOU-finally someone answers my question without the hysterical banshee like wailing of an EU acolyte !:)

flatty

Amber Rudd seems to have been sent out to fly a kite.

J Mysterio

RobMc59 wrote: »

THANK YOU-finally someone answers my question without the hysterical banshee like wailing of an EU acolyte !:)

Fair play to him for deciphering there was a question hidden in the nonsense.

BonnieSituation

flatty wrote: »

Amber Rudd seems to have been sent out to fly a kite.

What kite is this now?

Link?

flatty

BonnieSituation wrote: »

What kite is this now?

Link?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-46490642&ved=2ahUKEwilyYaO3JDfAhWGblAKHVzJBXAQqUMwAXoECAkQCQ&usg=AOvVaw1QrJl6xl5eHYEJvxdJ9IJ7&ampcf=1

An Ciarraioch

BonnieSituation wrote: »

flatty wrote: »

Amber Rudd seems to have been sent out to fly a kite.

What kite is this now?

Link?

The Radio 4 story this morning about pivoting to Norway Plus if the WA is rejected.

trellheim

Norway Plus keeps FOM so very much BRINO in a lot of peoples minds.

An Ciarraioch

Channel Four doing a debate at 7 p.m. tomorrow, will include a May deal advocate, a Corbyn supporter, a People's Vote backer and an ERG Brexiteer - no confirmed names yet.

Anthracite

RobMc59 wrote: »

THANK YOU-finally someone answers my question without the hysterical banshee like wailing of an EU acolyte !:)

The fact that it took so long for someone to stumble upon the apparent meaning of your posts suggests that the problem might lie closer to home.

judeboy101

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Channel Four doing a debate at 7 p.m. tomorrow, will include a May deal advocate, a Corbyn supporter, a People's Vote backer and an ERG Brexiteer - no confirmed names yet.

Please be jrm, please be jrm

prawnsambo

RobMc59 wrote: »

THANK YOU-finally someone answers my question without the hysterical banshee like wailing of an EU acolyte !:)

You could have actually phrased your question more clearly. It was in fact answered very early when a poster pointed out that Guinness in Ireland was an Irish company. The holding company is irrelevant. And that's where the confusion came, as everyone who read that answer, assumed you meant something else. And the other point you seemed to not understand is that Guinness sales iin Ireland are not included in the EU sales figures. So it's EU + Ireland = Total EU.

From a business point of view (any business), the only issue is for goods actually produced in the UK. Anywhere else in the EU is not affected. Tariffs are only imposed on imports.

RobMc59

Anthracite wrote: »

The fact that it took so long for someone to stumble upon the apparent meaning of your posts suggests that the problem might lie closer to home.

On the contrary,at least now SF MPs will be able to keep telling themselves the pint of Guinness they're drinking and paying for out of their eyepoppping expenses isn't anything to do with Britain.

cml387

I think that Amber Rudd's intervention is to hold out the threat of Norway+ to the Brexiteers, pointing out that if the current WA is voted down, then that's what will happen.

Tell me how

RobMc59 wrote: »

On the contrary,at least now SF MPs will be able to keep telling themselves the pint of Guinness they're drinking and paying for out of their eyepoppping expenses isn't anything to do with Britain.

Do Sinn Fein get different expenses to all other politicians?

marno21

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Channel Four doing a debate at 7 p.m. tomorrow, will include a May deal advocate, a Corbyn supporter, a People's Vote backer and an ERG Brexiteer - no confirmed names yet.

Looks like Caroline Lucas & Jacob Rees-Mogg

https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1071384976401330177

Tell me how

marno21 wrote: »

Looks like Caroline Lucas & Jacob Rees-Mogg

Would have liked to see Alistair Campbell represent the People's vote side.

RobMc59

Tell me how wrote: »

Do Sinn Fein get different expenses to all other politicians?

I've got no idea but it rather flys in the face of their noble stance of abstention when they're in the trough with the rest of them.

Tell me how

RobMc59 wrote: »

I've got no idea but it rather flys in the face of their noble stance of abstention when they're in the trough with the rest of them.

You completely misunderstand the practice and purpose of abstention as SF use it.

Also, from the Sinn Fein website.

The British government refuses to pay Sinn Féin MPs our salaries and other grants which all other Westminster MPs receive. Over the last five years this has amounted to almost £2 million.

There are also a number of allowances, which we do not claim.

And Sinn Féin MP’s who become Ministers do not claim for constituency travel allowances.

Sinn Féin and those who vote for us expect the highest standards from all of our public representatives. We will continue to act in an open and transparent manner. And we will do all that we can to end the corrupt political culture which operates on both parts of this island.

The five Sinn Féin MPs are denied:

· MP’s salaries from Westminster. This means that our party has been denied over the last five years £1,443,840.

· £100,000 per annum in Policy development Grants which is given to our political opponents in the SDLP and DUP.

Sinn Féin MPs have not claimed:

· Overnight allowances of £25.00 per day.

· The Communications Allowance of £10,000 per MP per annum or £50,000 for our five MPs.

· Food expenses.

BonnieSituation

RobMc59 wrote: »

I've got no idea but it rather flys in the face of their noble stance of abstention when they're in the trough with the rest of them.

So they're all terrible and yet you have an issue with SF and their apparent trough usage?

Sounds a bit whatabouter-esque.

ancapailldorcha

Tell me how wrote: »

Would have liked to see Alistair Campbell represent the People's vote side.

I think Lucas is a better choice. She isn't tainted by association with any major party and is very much in touch with the grassroots so st has more credibility there. She's also a very lucid and highly charismatic orator.

Professor Moriarty

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I think Lucas is a better choice. She isn't tainted by association with any major party and is very much in touch with the grassroots so st has more credibility there. She's also a very lucid and highly charismatic orator.

The best way to expose Jacob's bombastic jingoism is with facts. Jacob's vision of a hard Brexit is built on sand. Campbell is an excellent and factual debater.