Redneck Culchie wrote: » PBP TD Brid Smith calls UN Migration treaty protestors fascist filth and Nazi's. Pathetic !
Jamie2k9 wrote: » Belgium Goverment have lost there majority over the weekend after the minority (left) party pulled out over the UN pact. Hopefully Europe looks a lot different in June 2019 after the elections.
Sand wrote: » It's evidence of a rapid demographic shift, brought about in just two generations by mass migration. All of human history demonstrates that rapid demographic shifts leads to political strife and upheaval. For example, Brexit. All of this is of course a tangent to the primary issue of the thread: is this global pact to facilitate further mass migration in the interests of Ireland? The answer is no.
Sand wrote: » It's evidence of a rapid demographic shift, brought about in just two generations by mass migration. All of human history demonstrates that rapid demographic shifts leads to political strife and upheaval. For example, Brexit.
Sand wrote: » All of this is of course a tangent to the primary issue of the thread: is this global pact to facilitate further mass migration in the interests of Ireland? The answer is no.
Sand wrote: » I'm not the gatekeeper of English identity. The English are. Anyone who identifies as English, and who is recognised as English by the English can pass for English. Whatever else you can say about London, its people are increasingly drawing its culture and identity from the Caribbean, Africa and the Indian sub-continent.
Sand wrote: » The reality is the BAME population of the UK identify primarily as British, not English, Scottish or Welsh. So you're getting offended on behalf of people who themselves acknowledge they're not of the same ethnic background or identity as Scottish, Welsh or English people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8GlFY1jDxU
Sand wrote: » Britishness does not confer Englishness though, does it? Afterall, Glaswegians are just as British as any other British citizen. But Glaswegians aren't English. I find it odd that you are very aware of the ethnicity and identity of the founders of your favourite football club, but you are in full denial that the English might have an ethnicity and identity of their own.
hill16bhoy wrote: » Englishness also confers Britishness, by default, because England is part of Great Britain. I've no idea why you put forward the hypothetical suggestion that anybody would consider all the residents of Northern Ireland as English, no more than I would have no idea why anybody would put forward a hypothetical suggestion that all residents of England are Northern Irish, Scottish or Japanese.
Sand wrote: » Sure, they were born, brought up and lived all their lives in a country called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. They have British passports. They overwhelmingly identify as being British to the extent they identify with the UK. But the UK is not England. England is not a country. England is a nation/ethnicity with no political expression. I doubt you would be arguing that all South African citizens are Bantu people. I sincerely doubt you would claim that all the residents of Northern Ireland are English.
Captain Obvious wrote: » OK, let's just assume that English is a particular ethnicity separate from the nationality. What is the issue with this English ethnicity being a minority in London?
hill16bhoy wrote: » People who are born, brought up and live all their lives in a country are natives of that country and 100% entitled to be classed as such.
View wrote: » The “ethnic” English clearly aren’t a minority within London unless you confine your definition of “ethnic” to “white”.
Sand wrote: » You're demanding a strict dichotomy which simply doesn't exist when it comes to identity. They're clearly not of English descent, but ethnicity is more complicated than that. Do they identify as English? Do English people recognise them as being English? Lydon apparently travels under an Irish passport and lives in the US so I would imagine his identity is complicated. The existence of fringe cases doesn't deny the existence of the English as a group however.
Sand wrote: » English people are a nation, an ethnic group which emerged in the early medieval period and which are descended from both Celtic Britons and the Germanic tribes which entered the country with the fall of the Roman Empire and those who have merged with that ethnic group since then. English identity is distinct from the imperialist/multi-national British identity. Recognising the English as a distinct ethnic group does not deny anyone their British passport or British identity. The ethnic English are a minority within their own capital. Birmingham will shortly follow and no doubt in more and more towns and cities in the next decade or two. That dramatic demographic shift has occurred in just two generations, due to mass migration and declining birth rates.
Dallas Thousands Ammonia wrote: » Are they, have you asked them personally? They could well be, it's indeed likely or probable they may consider themselves to be. I didn't ask for you flagrant racism upon the english, which is utterly ignorant of the current treatment (not historical attitudes, many generations ago) of Irish people in Britain. Shame on you. If they (theselves) consider themselves to be, that clearly demonstrates the sheer 'ease of assimilation' of celtic-germanic Europeans, esp. the Irish within Britian. Compare that to the slow and painful integration of other cultures, which may not even speak a word of English or have any prior interest or shared cultural experiences of the land of Britian.
Dallas Thousands Ammonia wrote: » Do you still carry hate in your heart against them, sure why can't we all live in peace, it's 2018.
hill16bhoy wrote: » I asked are Lydon and the Gallaghers English?
hill16bhoy wrote: » the historical treatment of Irish people in Britain.
hill16bhoy wrote: » I asked are Lydon and the Gallaghers English? Why can't you give a straight answer instead of trying to deflect?
Dallas Thousands Ammonia wrote: » They may well class themselves as either 'white-english', or 'white-other' on the census form, even if born there to Irish parents. That clearly demonstrates the sheer 'ease of assimilation' of celtic-germanic Europeans, esp. the Irish within Britian. Compare that to the slow and painful integration of other cultures, which may not even speak a word of English or have any prior interest or shared cultural experiences of the land of Britian.
hill16bhoy wrote: » It would be interesting to know whether English descendants of Irish immigrants are counted as "English" by certain posters here. Johnny Rotten.... Oasis. I have a funny feeling very few would question their Englishness or Britishness.
Captain Obvious wrote: » It may well have been what he meant but it's not what he said. If you exclude people from a nationality because of their ethnicity then you are racist. Simple as. Three of you have done that so far. The fact remains that there is no evidence English people are not a minority in London unless you exclude non-white English people.
Dallas Thousands Ammonia wrote: » But what type of British, as according to the ONS and the Census the majority are not white-british in London. Yes many, many may well be indian-british, or afro caribbean-british (even if born in the UK). When the Census asks the question, they don't have a catch-all tick box when asking individuals what they consider their ethnicity to be, do they.
Dallas Thousands Ammonia wrote: » To anyone with an ounce of obvious sense of course it is what was he meant. Again, many people of other ethnicities would never class themselves as english, but certainly perhaps with a british- prefix. By your twisted judgement you are calling the Office for National Statistics a racist organisation, that reeks somewhat of sheer desperation.
