Igotadose wrote: » It's 3 visits. I agree seems kind of high, and the bullsh1t 3 day 'waiting period', if removed, would reduce it to 2 visits. But, it's something I suppose and can always be changed now that the 8th is gone.https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/gps-will-be-asked-to-opt-in-to-provide-abortions-at-450-each-37530347.html The opt-in thing is crap. Dr's. should be required to dispense the pills. Lose there license if they won't.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » €450 to dispense 2 pills?
ohnonotgmail wrote: » I think you may find that some doctors opposition to providing abortions has suddenly disappeared.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Live now on Oireachtas TV.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » That appears to have been the final Dail vote. 92-15 and the Bill goes to the Seanad.
The Cush wrote: » 90 - 15 with 12 abstensions
Irish Times wrote: Minister for Health Simon Harris has pledged to bring forward legislation to provide for so-called exclusion zones around premises where women are receiving abortion care. The Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy Bill entered the Seanad on Thursday for the final stage of debate before it passes into law. Mr Harris used his speech in the Seanad to promise that “safe zones” would be introduced. “I do intend to legislate for safe access zones. I have received a Government decision to do that,” Mr Harris said. “They’re also known as exclusion zones but they are safe access zones for doctors and so that women can access the health service in a safe manner, and have their access not be impeded. I did make a decision after engaging with colleagues to do that in a separate, stand-alone piece of legislation. It will be health legislation, I will bring it forward, I will sponsor it in Cabinet. I intend to introduce it in 2019. I think it’s very important that people can go about their work, and access their health services without being in any way obstructed,” he added. Senators debated the Bill that passed through the Dail on Wednesday night. Labour Senator Ivana Bacik became emotional as she said that 29 years ago, both she and her colleagues in the Trinity Students’ Union were threatened with prison for giving information about abortion to pregnant women. She said women were desperate for information on clinics in England, which was hard to get before the internet. Independent Senator Ronan Mullen described the proposed law as “destructive”. “Politicians here want to create a notion of a right to choose that completely disregards an innocent, invisible but no-less-human creature.” Independent Senator David Norris raised concerns over the issue of conscientious objection. He said the legislation had been rushed. Mr Norris also said there should be dedicated abortion clinics in Ireland as some GPs and pharmacists objected to providing the service. He said he was “strongly in favour of a woman’s right to choose” but that he also appreciates the issue of conscientious objection. He also described the three-day waiting period as “daft.” Mr Harris again addressed the concerns that had been raised around conscientious objection. “People who conscientiously object do not need to play a role in that but there cannot be a situation where they would obstruct a woman accessing a legal health service or where a woman seeking help, often in a crisis situation, perhaps having been raped, would be shown the door or given the cold shoulder. We need to have a situation where conscientious objection is absolutely respected but not obstruction, and they are different issues,” he said. The debate in the Seanad continues next week.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » But there won't be anyone in FG opposing the legislation and at most one or two in FF. Virtually anyone in the main parties with a major issue with the legislation is already outside the party.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Went generally as I anticipated, with, I think, three FF 'nils'. There was also a clutch of abstentions, all FF AFAIK, which I hadn't been expecting, but I don't suppose it matters...
The Cush wrote: » Loafing Oaf wrote: » Went generally as I anticipated, with, I think, three FF 'nils'. There was also a clutch of abstentions, all FF AFAIK, which I hadn't been expecting, but I don't suppose it matters... 4 Fianna Fáil Níl - Mary Butler, Marc MacSharry, John McGuinness, Éamon Ó Cuív All 12 Abstains were Fianna Fáil
The Cush wrote: » 4 Fianna Fáil Níl - Mary Butler, Marc MacSharry, John McGuinness, Éamon Ó Cuív All 12 Abstains were Fianna Fáil
Igotadose wrote: » If I don't see my TD's name recorded in the vote, does that mean he/she wasn't present?
robindch's quote wrote: “People who conscientiously object do not need to play a role in that but there cannot be a situation where they would obstruct a woman accessing a legal health service or where a woman seeking help, often in a crisis situation, perhaps having been raped, would be shown the door or given the cold shoulder. We need to have a situation where conscientious objection is absolutely respected but not obstruction, and they are different issues,” he said.
antiskeptic wrote: » The are indeed different issues but somehow or the other the one issue ( a rape) manages to be ranked in importance above the other issue ( a conscientious objection). It would be good if the claimant here could "show their work". "Shown the door" and "cold shoulder" doesn't quite cut it.
antiskeptic wrote: » The are indeed different issues but somehow or the other the one issue ( a rape) manages to be ranked in importance above the other issue ( a conscientious objection).
