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UN Migration Pact Ireland's Position?

Jamie2k9

Simple question whats our position on this do we plan to sign it.

I am going to assume we will sign it but I am totally opposed to it and clearly many counties.

Sorry if in wrong area.

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FreudianSlippers

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We absolutely should not be signing this , poland and hungary have already objected , Im sure it also violates immigration legislation in many countries.

I'm "sure" it doesn't.

(I haven't looked in the slightest, but fairly positive you haven't either)

Captain Obvious

blindjustice wrote: »

Whats the point in it if its non binding?

Here are two opposing views:

https://twitter.com/StevePeers/status/1068588896555024384

I tend to think it would be wise to err on the side on caution and not sign, its non-binding so why bother signing? That argument works both ways.

Here is the Tanaiste on the matter:

He is clearly pro migration and the pact. What I find interesting is this bit:

That can be interpreted as silencing debate on the matter because it 'pulls us down a dangerous direction'. Actually silencing people pulls democracy down a dangerous direction.

It's just agreed upon targets. Like the Paris Climate Agreement.

When you say are on the side of caution, what are you being cautious about?

As to letting the politics of immigration take over, that's how the US got stuck with an idiot president and the UK is self destructing with Brexit. By letting immigration take over every debate, as quite a few here try to do regularly.

Chips Lovell

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Captain Obvious

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We absolutely should not be signing this , poland and hungary have already objected , Im sure it also violates immigration legislation in many countries.

How can it violate immigration law when it's non-binding?

Stephen15

Italy to reject this aswell and rightly so. "The UN have no business interfering in countries national borders" couldn't be better put by Salvini who is probably Europe's best sense talking politician at the moment. We need more politicians like him and Orban in Ireland and across Europe.

hill16bhoy

Nermal wrote: »

Presented: the twisted, empty mind of the degenerate, that when considering a nation with a history spanning a thousand years can only emit a slack-jawed 'what culture?'. They spent a lot of blood booting the Ottoman out once. It's not surprising they won't be browbeat into letting him return.

You'll have to expand on what you mean by "the Ottoman", but one can presume your explanation will be full of the usual old tropes peddled by all white supremacists.

Poland as a nation state is only 100 years old and only exists in its present form since 1945. In that time many Poles collaborated with the Nazis to exterminate an entire people, numbering around three and half million, and an entire culture, from within its borders. Jews now number in the single thousands in Poland.

Poland did not benefit one iota from any of that, it suffered massively.

And what it's also suffering from is the crypto-fascist regime currently in place there.

We "spent a lot of blood" "booting out" British rule.

At the last count, we have have 277,000 British-born people living in this state.

They are more than welcome here, as are immigrants from all other backgrounds.

We are a migrant people and Ireland and Irish people have benefitted massively from both in and out migration.

Long may that continue.

Nermal

weisses wrote: »

What culture ? ...Christian values ?

Presented: the twisted, empty mind of the degenerate, that when considering a nation with a history spanning a thousand years can only emit a slack-jawed 'what culture?'. They spent a lot of blood booting the Ottoman out once. It's not surprising they won't be browbeat into letting him return.

ancapailldorcha

Nonsense post deleted. Serious discussion only please.

backspin.

I have no doubt we will sign this once Germany does. I hope we don't though.

Eric Cartman

weisses wrote: »

What culture ? ...Christian values ?

Attachment not found.
http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf

Poland has some of the lowest rates of rape, robbery, homicide etc.. in the world, not just the EU. Its identified as one of the least likely places for a terrorist attack to occur. Despite low wages and a not free for all welfare state, burglaries remain low.
https://www.politico.eu/article/politics-nationalism-and-religion-explain-why-poland-doesnt-want-refugees/

Poland wants to keep its culture and society that it has cultivated, while being quite religious and it reminds us of times gone by here, the Catholic Church does not have the legislative grip that it had here.

Poland only stands to lose by loosening its immigration rules or taking migrants, there is no upside for them.

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Poland and Hungary have 0% crime? These must surely be utopias. Anti pluralist populists must really be doing a good job.

I never said they had 0% crime , saying they are relatively safe does not mean 0 crimes and you know this, you're just throwing this crap around.

WinnyThePoo

Eric Cartman wrote: »

weisses wrote: »

Poland and Hungary will reject anything and anyone that inst Caucasian ...Cannot take them seriously at this stage

Theyve preserved their culture and kept their nations safe , it seems to be working for them

Poland and Hungary have 0% crime? These must surely be utopias. Anti pluralist populists must really be doing a good job.

weisses

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Theyve preserved their culture and kept their nations safe , it seems to be working for them

What culture ? ...Christian values ?

Eric Cartman

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Australia, US, Poland, Croatia, Israel, Austria, Slovakia, Hungary, Switzerland, Czech Republic and Bulgaria have all rejected. Germany is under pressure to reject but of course the Irish media is all quiet on the issue which is why nobody can find out our Government's position on it.

You can find the deal on http://www.un.org/en/index.html

Knowing leo he'll probably just accept without even lettting us know till its over

Eric Cartman

weisses wrote: »

Poland and Hungary will reject anything and anyone that inst Caucasian ...Cannot take them seriously at this stage

Theyve preserved their culture and kept their nations safe , it seems to be working for them

Jamie2k9

Australia, US, Poland, Croatia, Israel, Austria, Slovakia, Hungary, Switzerland, Czech Republic and Bulgaria have all rejected. Germany is under pressure to reject but of course the Irish media is all quiet on the issue which is why nobody can find out our Government's position on it.

You can find the deal on http://www.un.org/en/index.html

weisses

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We absolutely should not be signing this , poland and hungary have already objected , Im sure it also violates immigration legislation in many countries.

Poland and Hungary will reject anything and anyone that inst Caucasian ...Cannot take them seriously at this stage

Eric Cartman

We absolutely should not be signing this , poland and hungary have already objected , Im sure it also violates immigration legislation in many countries.

ancapailldorcha

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I was referring to the link.....

It's not unreasonable for the OP to provide a link to what they started the thread to discuss. Again, no more "Google it" responses. Please do not dispute mod warnings on thread.

Jamie2k9

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Don't ask people to google your argument please.

I was referring to the link.....

ancapailldorcha

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Google it and you will see the proposal and then question why so many countries are rejecting it.

Don't ask people to google your argument please.

Jamie2k9

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Can you provide a link to it and perhaps outline your issues with it?

Google it and you will see the proposal and then question why so many countries are rejecting it.

LeinsterDub

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Simple question whats our position on this do we plan to sign it.

I am going to assume we will sign it but I am totally opposed to it and clearly many counties.

Sorry if in wrong area.

Can you provide a link to it and perhaps outline your issues with it?