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Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/homeless-mumofseven-margaret-cash-appears-in-court-over-stealing-300-worth-of-clothes-from-penneys-37434491.html

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tuxy

Once you take a house I'm not sure if you can move.
Where was the 3 bedroom house, I don't think it was near her mother grave.
Being near her mothers gave is her main concern when accepting a house.

KrustyUCC

Yeah she will more than likely get at least a 4 bed house forever at greater cost to the country

PlaneSpeeking

tuxy wrote: »

Once you take a house I'm not sure if you can move.
Where was the 3 bedroom house, I don't think it was near her mother grave.
Being near her mothers gave is her main concern when accepting a house.

I lost my own sainted mother 26 years ago so I get her loss believe me, but jaysus if we're starting to allocate social housing on that crap level - I quit!!!

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

So I can buy a house, let’s say a 2 bed. I will have 5 children. Is it then the councils/states responsibility to add additional rooms to my home?

No, it's not.

This is another area where beneficiaries of social housing have far more rights and entitlements than private buyers.

ohnonotgmail

tuxy wrote: »

Once you take a house I'm not sure if you can move.
Where was the 3 bedroom house, I don't think it was near her mother grave.
Being near her mothers gave is her main concern when accepting a house.

You can ask for a move if the property is no longer suitable. But you mention the real reason why it was rejected. The property was not in the area she wanted.

KrustyUCC

Yeah it has to be a home forever is Tallaght

Lot of ordinary people don't get to choose where they live, they go to where they can afford

Never worked a day in her life but yet is allowed to be as choosey as fcuk

Horrible system

Sweet.Science

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah it has to be a home forever is Tallaght

Lot of ordinary people don't get to choose where they live, they go to where they can afford

Never worked a day in her life but yet is allowed to be as choosey as fcuk

Horrible system

Great country

Tomorrow the welfare xmas bonus is issued

And today its been announced that working folk wont get their childcare subsidy but people on social welfare who dont work and dont need childcare will

Mad oul country

PlaneSpeeking

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah it has to be a home forever is Tallaght

Lot of ordinary people don't get to choose where they live, they go to where they can afford

Never worked a day in her life but yet is allowed to be as choosey as fcuk

Horrible system

Blackrock is a 20 min DART ride from my work - I'd love to demand to live there!

Sadly I work for a living so commuting from the Midlands it is.

hurler32

tuxy wrote: »

Once you take a house I'm not sure if you can move.
Where was the 3 bedroom house, I don't think it was near her mother grave.
Being near her mothers gave is her main concern when accepting a house.

Let’s face it ... we will just have to create another USC type tax on those working to pay for larger houses for travellers and also stables etc if needed ...travellers are taking up a large part of the country’s welfare bill so its best to have all traveller costs under one umbrella . A tax of 3-5% on all PAYE workers would ensure all travellers and their horses are housed in top conditions and also welfare could be dropped out to those same houses each week by some fools working and paying his way in life from this new traveller welfare/housing department .

KrustyUCC

It's mad some of the spurious excuses from people in all walks of life to rejecting social housing

Woman turns down council house overlooking Cork harbour because she'll get seasick
Other housing list applicants reject homes because there's no room for trampolines

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/woman-turns-down-council-house-7792900

In the UK if you reject a house/apartment etc for reasons that the council do not believe stack up, then they deem that you have made yourself homeless and you need to sort accommodation for yourself after that

People aren't long taking the offer in those circumstances

KrustyUCC

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Blackrock is a 20 min DART ride from my work - I'd love to demand to live there!

Sadly I work for a living so commuting from the Midlands it is.

Beggars can't be chooser only seems to apply to working people

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

The state should phase out SW support for >4 children.

If you want to have more than 4, you pay for them yourself.

KrustyUCC

That should make sense as working people have to think can they afford another child

Queue those who will say 'somebody please think of the children' and that you are only hurting them

Still something will have to change or else the incentive to have more kids for more welfare/bigger house etc will always be there

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Well, Travellers are really milking the system when it comes to kids -- at least if you take a short-term view.

The average Traveller woman in her 40s today has 5 or more kids, whereas only one in 20 settled women in the same age group has 5+ kids.

It doesn't make sense for a Traveller to bother trying to find work. Even on a wage of 16 euro an hour, with five kids and a wife back at the halting site, he'd still be better off on SW.

Taking a long-term view, though, the current system is only keeping Travellers in a poverty trap. And it will keep their kids in the same trap.

tuxy

Travellers will still have the same number of kids and increase criminal activity to support it.

PlaneSpeeking

tuxy wrote: »

Travellers will still have the same number of kids and increase criminal activity to support it.

And there it is.

The usual nonsense about how we should basically suck it up cos sure they'll only rob us anyway.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I lost my own sainted mother 26 years ago so I get her loss believe me, but jaysus if we're starting to allocate social housing on that crap level - I quit!!!

I buried both parents and if I had a rake of kids and nowhere to live and told the council no soz hun can’t take that house it’s not near enough to my mother/fathers grave, they would both probably haunt me for the rest of my life to protect me from my own stupidity

Gravelly

The more I read about this and other cases, the more I wonder what the fûck we need these people for? What purpose do travellers and wasters serve? Why are we supporting and enabling them?
I’m all for helping those who can’t help themselves, but what about those who won’t help themselves? Why should my children have less so theirs can have more?

Odelay

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

I'm not sure what the exact rule is in Ireland -- but in the UK a home is defined as overcrowded under law if two people who are of a different sex and aged 10 or older have to sleep in the same room.

Cash's daughter recently made her First Communion, so I'd guess she's around 8 or 9. The oldest child is 11.

This means the girl is getting to the age where it's no longer seen as appropriate for her to be sharing a room with her brothers. And it would probably also be overcrowding to have the six brothers crammed into one bedroom.

I appreciate the spirit of your points, but there are a host of legal reasons why it would be a bad idea to put the Cash family in a 3-bed.

There’s a big “and” in there. Is mother and daughter share the same room, boys in the other two rooms, then it’s not overcrowded.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Odelay wrote: »

There’s a bid “and” in there. Is mother and daughter share the same room, boys in the other two rooms, then it’s not overcrowded.

And convert the sitting room into another bedroom

PlaneSpeeking

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

And convert the sitting room into another bedroom

But where will she have her candlelight suppers ???

:D:D:D

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

But where will she have her candlelight suppers ??? :D:D:D

At her sister violets. She has a swimming pool and room for a pony

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Odelay wrote: »

There’s a bid “and” in there. Is mother and daughter share the same room, boys in the other two rooms, then it’s not overcrowded.

Unless Mr Cash is in bed with the mother, in which case it wouldn't be appropriate to have the daughter in there as well.

KrustyUCC

Good thing she is a 'single' mother

Poor Johnny is still in the dog house

"THIS IS MY SONG TO MY LOVELY HUBBY JOHNNY I HOPE YOU LIKE IT"

John Wing I Hope You Die

ohnonotgmail

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

Unless Mr Cash is in bed with the mother, in which case it wouldn't be appropriate to have the daughter in there as well.

is he not in prison?

Odelay

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

Unless Mr Cash is in bed with the mother, in which case it wouldn't be appropriate to have the daughter in there as well.

They’ve spent enough time in bed together the evidence shows.
Mr Cash can sleep with the boys. Where there is a will there is a way.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

is he not in prison?

It was reported in August that he was released on bail and back living with her.

Not sure what has happened since, tbh.

KrustyUCC

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

is he not in prison?

AFAIK I know he is out but not living with the family after doing the dirt on poor old margaret

Homeless Mum Margaret Cash reveals husband John McCarthy no longer living with family in Drumcondra B&B
John McCarthy had rejoined the family after being released from Cloverhill Prison on bail

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/homeless-mum-margaret-cash-reveals-15132047

Then again it's entirely possible he is still around just that it's an easier sell for Margaret as a 'single' mother

ohnonotgmail

KrustyUCC wrote: »

AFAIK I know he is out but not living with the family after doing the dirt on poor old margaret

Homeless Mum Margaret Cash reveals husband John McCarthy no longer living with family in Drumcondra B&B
John McCarthy had rejoined the family after being released from Cloverhill Prison on bail

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/homeless-mum-margaret-cash-reveals-15132047

Then again it's entirely possible he is still around just that it's an easier sell for Margaret as a 'single' mother

you mean he has probably has more kids that the cant pay for?

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Odelay wrote: »

They’ve spent enough time in bed together the evidence shows.
Mr Cash can sleep with the boys. Where there is a will there is a way.

As I said, I appreciate the sentiments here ... but think of this from the perspective of the council, which is charged with finding suitable accommodation for this family.

If they try to give them a 3-bedroom house, Margaret Cash will say a 3-bed isn't suitable for a family of two parents, six sons, and a daughter. Either the parents don't have their own room, the daughter is sharing a room with her brothers, or you have six boys in one bedroom. Either way she can argue that it's not adequate for her family's needs.

The only logical end point is that she gets a 4- or even 5-bedroom house.

Remember too that she is just 28. She could easily have another 7 children who have to be housed and raised.

I'm not saying that any of this is ethically right -- but this is the position we are in, regardless. Travellers with large families have the taxpayer over a barrel when it comes to housing.