tuxy wrote: » First traveller TD? Maybe Sinn Fein can make it happen! They could coach her on what to say and what not to say!
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Here's fun:
blanch152 wrote: » I have a question for those that support Traveller culture. What are the positive aspects of Traveller culture? We have long discussed and documented the negative aspects of Traveller culture on this thread. These include: - a culture of acceptance of criminality and at least tacit support for those engaged in it; - a culture of taking girls out of school around the age of twelve; - a culture of marrying young girls aged 15/16 off to relatives and turning them into baby factories; - a culture of environmental destruction; - a homophobic environment for young men and women; - a racist attitude to recent immigrants; - a culture of tax evasion; - a violent culture both in terms of bare-knuckle fighting and violence to women as shown by the womens' refuge statistics - poor treatment of animals - a welfare dependency culture However, if Traveller culture is so worthwhile, there must be some positive aspects to it. Some have pointed to the clannish and family nature as a positive aspect but the problem is that only reinforces the negative aspects as it becomes cultish rather than family-based. Where is the music? Where is the art? Sulky-racing? Now, I am not painting every Traveller with the brush above, and there are many travellers who do not subscribe to the majority of the negative aspects, but taken as a whole, that is the understanding of Traveller culture held by the vast majority of Irish people [BTW, if Travellers wish to be known as ethnically separate and distinct, the rest of us aren't "settled people", we are Irish]. So can someone explain the positive aspects of Traveller culture, or are we just supposed to accept the list above?
CrankyHaus wrote: » Some interesting stuff, though i know nothing about the writer or the site. How credible are they? The following jumped out at me Up until the mid-1990s FÁS (now Solas) operated 26 Senior Traveller Training Centres (STTCs) providing specialized training for Travellers. The Task Force recommended in 1995 that the control of these STTCs be transferred to the Department of Education because FÁS training, geared towards employment, was not “culturally appropriate.” One of FÁS’ targets was progression of its trainees to employment and the failure of Travellers to progress to employment was affecting their performance metrics so they gladly handed over control of the STTC’s to the Department of Education."
Sweet.Science wrote: » I have it on good authority the council have privately purchased a 3 bed house in Old Bawn that she will move into in the new year. Its on the basis she doesnt go to the media about it
Deleted User wrote: » I doubt it. She needs a 4 bed house. Her 6 sons cannot be put in one room.
jmayo wrote: » About the only thing any poster has come up with round here is how they kept Irish music alive. And that equates to the Fureys, Margaret Barry and a few pipers. Notice how quiet people go when they are asked to give positive examples of traveller culture or their contributions to Irish culture. In other words civil servants and politicians decided that training towards actual employment was not "culturally appropriate" for travellers. The state officially does not expect them to work and the state is fine with that. :mad: FFS. Why do the authorities of this state actually foster this toxic septic lifestyle? I think there is a seismic shift coming and Peter Casey's vote was the first example of it. A lot of people are past tolerating a one sided take take interaction with shag all benefits to the greater society in return.
blanch152 wrote: » I had forgotten about the Fureys. Strike 1 for positive aspects of their culture but how specific were the Fureys to Traveller culture?
Henry Ford III wrote: » She needs a good kick in the hole, and to learn a bit of humility. She also needs to learn how to make a positive contribution to society and not be shouting her big mouth off about what she feels entitled to. Lots of folk work very hard and don't net what she gets on free handouts.
Paddy Cow wrote: » Is she going to take it? I'd imagine she'd want a 4 bed for all the kids.
Sweet.Science wrote: » I doubt it. Why not hold out for a mansion like all the other travellers are doing at the moment
Deebles McBeebles wrote: » Isn't Tyson Fury a traveller too? Although I don't know if you could class that as a contribution.
Omackeral wrote: » Andy Lee is and he's a gem.
tuxy wrote: » I consider these lads gems also Your man has a fine woolly jumper too!
CrankyHaus wrote: » eastwest wrote: » This is a very considered piece by Felim O'Rourke that puts its finger on the nub of the problem. Worth reading.https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2018/08/19/irelands-traveller-policy-an-inherent-contradiction-2 Some interesting stuff, though i know nothing about the writer or the site. How credible are they? The following jumped out at me "The Program for Prosperity and Fairness (2000) committed the Government to setting up a “Working Group” to discover the causes of high unemployment among Travellers despite labour shortages in the then booming economy. The Departments of Enterprise, Trade and Employment and Justice and Equality were both reluctant to take responsibility for the Working Group. In 2002 the Department of Enterprise reached an agreement with Pavee Point that the Working Group not be set up but no reasons were ever given for this decision... Up until the mid-1990s FÁS (now Solas) operated 26 Senior Traveller Training Centres (STTCs) providing specialized training for Travellers. The Task Force recommended in 1995 that the control of these STTCs be transferred to the Department of Education because FÁS training, geared towards employment, was not “culturally appropriate.” One of FÁS’ targets was progression of its trainees to employment and the failure of Travellers to progress to employment was affecting their performance metrics so they gladly handed over control of the STTC’s to the Department of Education."
eastwest wrote: » This is a very considered piece by Felim O'Rourke that puts its finger on the nub of the problem. Worth reading.https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2018/08/19/irelands-traveller-policy-an-inherent-contradiction-2
rafatoni wrote: » Wow, Old Bawn is a nice quiet private area, that's unreal. While everyone else is trying to buy a nice house in a private area she gets one for free. If this is true you wont hear another word from her ever again.
Gravelly wrote: » I wouldn't bet on it. That type is never satisfied - another 5 or 6 childer and she'll be all over the papers showing 4 of the poor childer sleeping to a room, and their little human rights being violated by not having a bedroom each (and room for a few ponies).
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Wait till the first grandchilder is due. They'll want the street.
iamwhoiam wrote: » My daughter tried to buy in Old Bawn , two good salaries and both hard workers . They were priced out and couldn't afford Old Bawn .
tuxy wrote: » What age is her eldest? He will be starting his family at 16 as not doing so would be an insult to his culture.
KrustyUCC wrote: » True but that will never happen She left school at 12, got married at 15, has seven kids by age 28, never worked in her life, is 100% dependent on the taxpayer to fund her but yet the gubberment is robbing her Also she doesn't care what people think
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