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Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/homeless-mumofseven-margaret-cash-appears-in-court-over-stealing-300-worth-of-clothes-from-penneys-37434491.html

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Floppybits

Omackeral wrote: »

Graces7 never came back after the Amish comparison did she?! :pac::pac:

I still can't believe that someone tried to compare Travelers with the Amish. :eek:

Paddy Cow

AllForIt wrote: »

Working Class to me describes ones social demographic background, not literally that one works. In any case I used the term lower-working-class, the class below Working Class, which is to me the social demographic at the near bottom of the social scale and I'd say that describes ppl who either don't work, have no intention of working, have no prospects for work, etc.

Working class are people who are working but in jobs with low income. People below that are the benefits class who have no intention of working a day in their life and will scrounge off the government taxpayers until the day they die.

*People who use benefits to prop themselves up in hard times are exempt from this

Paddy Cow

Omackeral wrote: »

Graces7 never came back after the Amish comparison did she?! :pac::pac:

It's her posting style to drop a pious, self-righteous load of nonsense into the middle of a thread, which winds people up and they react to it. Normally she would come back but she really shot herself in the foot with the Amish comment. Honestly, I think she's just lonely and does it for attention.

Paddy Cow

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

In the past few months we've had Margaret "De gubbermint is robbing me!" Cash pulling publicity stunts with her seven children before racking up her 39th criminal conviction. We've had Travellers refusing six homes built for them in Tipperary at a cost of €1.7 million to the taxpayer because they didn't come with stables and six acres of land for horses. We've seen numerous additional policing resources required in Drogheda because of a feud involving stabbings, hatchet attacks, kidnappings, and car bombs. And now we have Travellers living in €100,000 camper vans while claiming social welfare.

The spin machine must be working overtime in RTE and Pavee Point trying to deflect and cover up all of this.

It's clear that "ethnic minority status" has only made the situation much worse, because Travellers now feel that they have immunity from criticism.

jmayo wrote: »

Ehh you forgot beating the cr** out of an amateur soccer referee in a car park after a match.
But they are sorry now, they probably found better use for the golf club.

Anyway according to the likes of blueblackblue it is probably the fault of the referee for now engaging with them enough. :rolleyes:

Lets never forget what happened in January when scumbags illegally sulky racing caused a pregnant woman to crash and they returned to the scene of the crash to film it and jeer at her.

blanch152

I have a question for those that support Traveller culture. What are the positive aspects of Traveller culture?

We have long discussed and documented the negative aspects of Traveller culture on this thread. These include:

- a culture of acceptance of criminality and at least tacit support for those engaged in it;
- a culture of taking girls out of school around the age of twelve;
- a culture of marrying young girls aged 15/16 off to relatives and turning them into baby factories;
- a culture of environmental destruction;
- a homophobic environment for young men and women;
- a racist attitude to recent immigrants;
- a culture of tax evasion;
- a violent culture both in terms of bare-knuckle fighting and violence to women as shown by the womens' refuge statistics
- poor treatment of animals
- a welfare dependency culture

However, if Traveller culture is so worthwhile, there must be some positive aspects to it. Some have pointed to the clannish and family nature as a positive aspect but the problem is that only reinforces the negative aspects as it becomes cultish rather than family-based. Where is the music? Where is the art? Sulky-racing?

Now, I am not painting every Traveller with the brush above, and there are many travellers who do not subscribe to the majority of the negative aspects, but taken as a whole, that is the understanding of Traveller culture held by the vast majority of Irish people [BTW, if Travellers wish to be known as ethnically separate and distinct, the rest of us aren't "settled people", we are Irish].

So can someone explain the positive aspects of Traveller culture, or are we just supposed to accept the list above?

PlaneSpeeking

Omackeral wrote: »

Graces7 never came back after the Amish comparison did she?! :pac::pac:

Witness would have a far less sweeter film if they were the same!

Gravelly

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Lets never forget what happened in January when scumbags illegally sulky racing caused a pregnant woman to crash and they returned to the scene of the crash to film it and jeer at her.

The "tiny minority" of travellers involved in criminality really get around, don't they?

AndyBoBandy

blanch152 wrote: »

So can someone explain the positive aspects of Traveller culture, or are we just supposed to accept the list above?

If you own a shop that sells blinged up holy communion dresses - you're set for life.

Also if you sell commercial vehicles, and are looking for the odd cash sale with no questions asked, again you are onto a winner.

Skylinehead

Deleted User wrote: »

RayM was your previous moniker. Which you don't deny. Therefore I will refer to you as 'Ray' as opposed to an unfunny alternative.

If a user asks you not to use a name that isn't their username, you'll do just that or you'll be out on your arse fairly quick.

Melodeon

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

If you own a shop that sells blinged up holy communion dresses - you're set for life.

Also if you sell commercial vehicles, and are looking for the odd cash sale with no questions asked, again you are onto a winner.

Add to that list jewellery shops that flog Thelma Madine (of Big Fat Gypsy Wedding 'fame') figurines:
https://www.tierneysgifts.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=&q=Thelma+Madine

Practically a licence to print money catering to a particular clientele.

PlaneSpeeking

I'd say there's a very good reason why Cher's song put gypsies and thieves together in a sentence, other than "Gypsies, Doctors and Stockbrokers" wouldn't scan.

Sweet.Science

I have it on good authority the council have privately purchased a 3 bed house in Old Bawn that she will move into in the new year. Its on the basis she doesnt go to the media about it

PlaneSpeeking

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I have it on good authority the council have privately purchased a 3 bed house in Old Bawn that she will move into in the new year. Its on the basis she doesnt go to the media about it

Good to see our hard earned money being used wisely. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

KrustyUCC

So she gets rewarded for her publicity stunt

Typical Ireland

The gubberment which is robbing her fixes her up with a house forever

Lefty Bicek

Old Bawn, an average three-bed open market value would be... ? ? ?

tuxy

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Old Bawn, an average three-bed open market value would be... ? ? ?

One large enough for that many childers.
Probably 350 - 400k

And to rent about 2k a month

eastwest

This is a very considered piece by Felim O'Rourke that puts its finger on the nub of the problem. Worth reading.
https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2018/08/19/irelands-traveller-policy-an-inherent-contradiction-2

CrankyHaus

eastwest wrote: »

This is a very considered piece by Felim O'Rourke that puts its finger on the nub of the problem. Worth reading.
https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2018/08/19/irelands-traveller-policy-an-inherent-contradiction-2

Some interesting stuff, though i know nothing about the writer or the site. How credible are they?

The following jumped out at me

"The Program for Prosperity and Fairness (2000) committed the Government to setting up a “Working Group” to discover the causes of high unemployment among Travellers despite labour shortages in the then booming economy. The Departments of Enterprise, Trade and Employment and Justice and Equality were both reluctant to take responsibility for the Working Group. In 2002 the Department of Enterprise reached an agreement with Pavee Point that the Working Group not be set up but no reasons were ever given for this decision...

Up until the mid-1990s FÁS (now Solas) operated 26 Senior Traveller Training Centres (STTCs) providing specialized training for Travellers. The Task Force recommended in 1995 that the control of these STTCs be transferred to the Department of Education because FÁS training, geared towards employment, was not “culturally appropriate.” One of FÁS’ targets was progression of its trainees to employment and the failure of Travellers to progress to employment was affecting their performance metrics so they gladly handed over control of the STTC’s to the Department of Education."

Deebles McBeebles

KrustyUCC wrote: »

So she gets rewarded for her publicity stunt

Typical Ireland

The gubberment which is robbing her fixes her up with a house forever

We'll see then if she keeps turning up to help the homeless. Or shout about them at least.

Next step is a career in politics.

Rory28

jmayo wrote: »

The thing in modern Western societies is that the ones supposedly most concerned about liberal attitudes, about sexual discrimination, about LGBT rights, are the ones most vehemently defending and supporting the likes of travellers, muslim self segregation (i.e. multi culturalism) and increasing backward uneducated misogynistic economic migrants from Africa/Asia.

The real laugh is the very ones they are forever supporting are the most discriminatory you can find, the most misogynistic out there and the most insular.

It really is like turkeys voting for Christmas.

It defies logic and intelligence.

You are bang on jmayo. You see the odd traveller and muslim on grindr the gay dating/hookup app. They go to great lengths to avoid being identified as they know full well the backlash they will receive if the people from their culture find out.

I know a few gay lads who are on the sjw bandwagon and cant for the life me understand the why of it. The people they are defending would kick 7 shades of sh1te out of us if they had the chance.

tuxy

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

We'll see then if she keeps turning up to help the homeless. Or shout about them at least.

Next step is a career in politics.

First traveller TD? Maybe Sinn Fein can make it happen! They could coach her on what to say and what not to say!

KrustyUCC

Even SF aren't that stupid

blanch152

eastwest wrote: »

This is a very considered piece by Felim O'Rourke that puts its finger on the nub of the problem. Worth reading.
https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2018/08/19/irelands-traveller-policy-an-inherent-contradiction-2

yes, an interesting piece.

For me the part where they talk about "promoting “knowledge of and pride in Traveller culture and heritage”" strikes a chord with my post earlier this morning. What are the positive aspects of Traveller culture and heritage?

KrustyUCC

Very weird definition of Integration - The Migrant Strategy defines “integration” as the “ability to participate to the extent that a person needs and wishes in all of the major components of society without having to relinquish his or her cultural identity.”

Also had to laugh at this part - A Traveller working as a paid employee is giving up the potential cash income from casual trading, recycling and the other activities referred to as the “Traveller Economy.”

Would have loved to see a definition of 'other activities'

Deebles McBeebles

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Even SF aren't that stupid

Someone in Sinn Fein HQ just shouted "CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!"

KrustyUCC

Barney Stinson like lol

Paddy Cow

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I have it on good authority the council have privately purchased a 3 bed house in Old Bawn that she will move into in the new year. Its on the basis she doesnt go to the media about it

Is she going to take it? I'd imagine she'd want a 4 bed for all the kids.

tuxy

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Is she going to take it? I'd imagine she'd want a 4 bed for all the kids.

Maybe she can make do since the sperm donor father is not around. She will regret it when she takes him back though.

[Deleted User]

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I have it on good authority the council have privately purchased a 3 bed house in Old Bawn that she will move into in the new year. Its on the basis she doesnt go to the media about it

I doubt it. She needs a 4 bed house. Her 6 sons cannot be put in one room.

PlaneSpeeking

Here's fun:

https://www.thejournal.ie/newstalk-working-on-new-project-with-peter-casey-4368838-Nov2018/