kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
LeinsterDub wrote: » Do you have a link? What kind of brexit?
Leroy42 wrote: » I really cannot see it happening. Quite apart from the lack of MP's calling for it, I think it sets a dangerous precedent going forward. Each government gets it power from the vote of the people, they are pretty much allowed to get away with anything during the time as people voted for them. This would basically be admitting that the HoC cannot govern the country. What is the knock on effect of that? I mean this only in the context of the UK, normal democracies could see the value. Its akin to the POTUS, once voted in it is almost impossible to remove them due to going against the vote of the people. The voters in the UK decided to leave, the HoC now need to inact that wish.
Podge_irl wrote: » First Up wrote: » For intra- Schengen flights there are no passport checks. It doesn't matter where the passengers are from. For flights arriving from outside Schengen there are passport checks for everyone. Most airports have EU and non-EU queues but everyone gets checked. For flights from Ireland and the UK into Schengen, everyone gets checked. There may be EU and non-EU lines but these are the only intra-EU flights for which passport checks apply. Peregrinus wrote: » Since the checks that Schengen countries carry out on non-Schengen EU/EEA citizens are quite different from the checks that they carry out on third-country citizens, many (most?) international airports have separate queuing/processing for the two groups. So choose the right airport, and this shouldn't be too big a problem. Yes. None of which contradicts what I said above or what was said by Peregrinus. There is separate queuing for EU passengers which mitigates (though obviously does not eliminate) the issue with long haul flights coming in at the same time as you.
First Up wrote: » For intra- Schengen flights there are no passport checks. It doesn't matter where the passengers are from. For flights arriving from outside Schengen there are passport checks for everyone. Most airports have EU and non-EU queues but everyone gets checked. For flights from Ireland and the UK into Schengen, everyone gets checked. There may be EU and non-EU lines but these are the only intra-EU flights for which passport checks apply.
Peregrinus wrote: » Since the checks that Schengen countries carry out on non-Schengen EU/EEA citizens are quite different from the checks that they carry out on third-country citizens, many (most?) international airports have separate queuing/processing for the two groups. So choose the right airport, and this shouldn't be too big a problem.
Leroy42 wrote: » Mark Carney has just released the BoE report into the possible effects of Brexit. Jebus, he ain't pulling any punches! GDP drops 8% House Prices fall 30% Commercial Property price fall 48% Sterling fall 25% Unemployment rise to 7.5% Inflation to 6.5% Not sure of the timeline of these.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2018/nov/28/brexit-pmqs-may-corbyn-hammond-economic-analysis-confirms-that-leaving-eu-will-make-uk-poorer-politics-live
LuckyLloyd wrote: » That's rubbish imo. The 2016 referendum was:High level and non specific on a topic that has proven enormously complex and detailed Involved a major Leave organisation being in breach of rules Featurerd major disinformation and was not monitored by an appropriately empowered referendum commission We now have an actual negotiated position available and that offers a completely rational basis on which to go back to the people. Two and a half years later, a huge amount of the hearsay and disinformation has actually been narrowed down and disproven with a quantifiable deal on the table and a more realistic outline of the potential process / timetable it implies mapped out ahead. And in any case, a question of leaving the EU is honestly more fundamental than the vast majority of the slate of decisions faced by a HoC during a typical government. Only the question of going to war is more fundamental, and that isn't necessarily run by parliament in every scenario. I'm surprised you hold this position based on your contributions in this thread to date, to be honest.
Leroy42 wrote: » Well they are not forecasts since they don't know what is actually going to happen in Brexit. But they are forecasts of what they think is likely to happen with a crash out and all the other issues. They are not classing them as forecasts because, as the Johnson tweets show, people simply ignore forecasts (without ever explaining how we are supposed to plan for anything without them or how they came to there position about Brexit being good for UK). But that is exactly where the UK is at the moment. Experts are to be ignored, forecasts are rubbish (does anyone think Johnson has taken the time to understand the underlying assumptions and calculations on which they are based?).
Gintonious wrote: » If there were 100 reports published and 99 of them were like the one published today, and the remaining 1 forecast something positive they would cling to that in an instant, even if the report they favoured was published by a busman. It seems that at this stage, absolutely nothing on this earth will convince the Brexiters that they are heading for the stone age.
Leroy42 wrote: » Jebus, steady on there. It is only my assessment of what is likely to happen in the UK, not a commentary on what my position is. The points you raised are of course all valid, but seemingly have no impact in the UK. There is no a major call for a 2nd Ref, the people are very much in the "just get on with it", I'm bored of Brexit camp. So we are talking about what is likely to happen in the UK, not, and this cannot be overstressed, what is the actual rational and best course of action. Of course a second Ref is the best option, for the points you raised, but do you think anyone is going to make that case in the UK without being shouted down? Hammond came out today with DoF estimates and projections and they were roundly ignored and called useless by many MP's. Davis stood up in the HoC and claimed that no economic forecast has ever been correct, and by implication, the DoF can be ignored. Carney will be ripped to shreds by the likes of Johnson and JRM in the papers tomorrow. It is in that context that you think the people will vote again? There isn't the time, remainers are largely classed as elite traitors, and the predictions going into the campaign from the remain side are accounted as worthless (which upon any close inspection shows that they were more right than wrong)
Professor Moriarty wrote: » What's your problem with busmen?
Gintonious wrote: » https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1067853557221785601 This is really something, attacking Mark Carney more than actually attacking what he has said. Yikes, it's getting worse and worse.
RobMc59 wrote: » It would be interesting to know how many people posting on this brexit forum live in the UK?-The reason I say this is because all the news channels I have watched today have clearly said a no deal brexit would be catastrophic for the UK whilst not leaving the EU is better than ANY leave/deal scenario. And that doesn't seem to be what is being said here..
Professor Moriarty wrote: » A true Brexiteer will sink to any depth.
Gintonious wrote: » Its a tad ironic that Mr Mogg calls someone "second rate" when he himself is a backbencher.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » No but I get the impression that a lot of people, thought not nearly enough have woken up to the con. The WWII spirit/Agincourt thing tends to be more common among older people in my experience who will of course be fine given that they own homes. It's the younger people who will bear the consequences and are less likely to spout such claptrap.
UsedToWait wrote: » So you didn't see any of the pushback from the Brexiteers, detailed above? I find that hard to believe.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » Remove the triple lock. At present pensioners go up annually by the largest of 2.5%, average wages or rate of inflation. Is it sustainable in a poorer economy ? Also hard Brexit could mean house prices fall by 30%
RobMc59 wrote: » UsedToWait wrote: » So you didn't see any of the pushback from the Brexiteers, detailed above? I find that hard to believe. Of course I saw it but nobody takes Rees Mogg or Johnson seriously and all outcomes have been looked at-not just no deal brexit.
prinzeugen wrote: » Considering the amount of fresh food brought in by air these days.. Not much. Warehouses would be full at this time of year anyway. Its called Christmas!!
