gormdubhgorm wrote: » If all the people of claondalkin declared themselves an ethic group tomorrow...
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It is lazy sterotyping how many fights have you seen in dublin city centre on a weekend. How many fights are there in chippers on a weekend. As I said before because the phrase settled people is not used as the headline you refuse to see it. A scumbag is a scumbag non-traveller or traveller.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » [ It is lazy stereotyping how many fights have you seen in Dublin city centre on a weekend? How many fights are there in chippers on a weekend? Who causes them? As I said before because the phrase 'settled people' is not used as the headline you refuse to see it. A scumbag is a scumbag non-traveller or traveller.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » To me that is obvious - again repeating myself. If all the people of claondalkin declared themselves an ethic group tomorrow, what would the crime rate be total population 46,813 (similar to travellers total pop. in the island of Ireland)http://www.echo.ie/tallaght/article/clondalkin-and-tallaght-amongst-highest-on-burglary-figures-list?category_id=5https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/coping-with-disadvantage-1.381661?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw- origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Feducation%2Fcoping-with-disadvantage-1.381661.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It is lazy stereotyping how many fights have you seen in Dublin city centre on a weekend? How many fights are there in chippers on a weekend? Who causes them? As I said before because the phrase 'settled people' is not used as the headline you refuse to see it. A scumbag is a scumbag non-traveller or traveller.
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » Like I explained on a previous thread I have Aspergers Syndrome and the subtleties of communication and interacting with other people is not something that comes naturally to me but I keep working at it but in this little debate, I firmly believe I have owned you. Your analogy of the people of Clondalkin is beyond stupid and I will admit there are a lot of scummers in Clondalkin but at the same time I work with loads of people from Clondalkin never worked with anyone from that so-called ethnic minority but that is not surprising really like 98% of them do not work. Like I said I have Aspergers and part of communication is knowing when to shut up and I suspect that 21 Youtube videos might be pushing things a bit and this is nothing personal with you attack the posts, not the poster. Attacking your posts in this has been easy but now it's time for me to bow out I have made my point and I am learning that I should give other people a chance to speak. Repeating the same thing over and over again only annoys other posters and I have nothing fresh left to contribute to this thread maybe you should ask yourself the same question.:)
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » I commend the governments welfare rates etc that are in place for people who GENUINELY need them and for that we are a lucky country. One of the most generous welfare countries for people who need it. I don’t blame the government for people taking advantage of it. I blame the individual. The government are trying to do the right thing by people who need welfare and shouldn’t be blamed or voted out because spongers take advantage of it. But you never miss an opportunity to blame the blue shirts or Tory boy or Leo of course.
tayto lover wrote: » I don't have political allegiances at all so I'm not a blue shirt. I didn't vote for this Govt either. I have little time for politicians of any hue or colour as my post history will support. You on the other hand seem to lean towards SF judging by your posting history. My point still stands that no matter who is in power there are certain people who won't work anyway. I asked you if SF had a policy to make people work for a living or is it just another political stunt to garner votes in the next election?
Matt Barrett wrote: » Now you're right to blame the fraudster but do you seriously think whinging about criminals being criminals will help or are you just pissing against the wind or are you just defending ****ty FG governance as per usual with no stats to back you up what so ever?
Matt Barrett wrote: » matronics and ran him against FG/FF's finest, I'd vote for the f***ing rabbit. Put that in your FG apologist pipe comrade
Matt Barrett wrote: » Well you'd be reading into what the mistaken have surmised before you. I can and do criticise bad policy without needing to wave any party's flag. My criticism of FF/FG policy doesn't equate to supporting SF policy does it now? You made no point related to my comment in any other way but to say I'm a shinner. Your comment means nothing outside of that context, so unless I am Mary Lou or some SF member you made no point. And to be honest, if someone dug up my dead pet rabbit, inserted animatronics and ran him against FG/FF's finest, I'd vote for the f***ing rabbit. Put that in your FG apologist pipe comrade
Squatter wrote: » One can only doff one's hat at blueblackblue's exceptional ability to extract large swodges of 22 carat gold whataboutery.
Lefty Bicek wrote: » That would be a spurious claim, so...
ohnonotgmail wrote: » and we are concerned with the proportion of people that engage in this behaviour. This proportion is much higher for travelers as well as being of a much more dangerous nature. I cant remember the last time i seen a report of a fight between country people where a slash hook was involved.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » whataboutery. We all know where the problems lie but the travelers keep insisting it is the country people at fault. They wont accept responsibility for the actions of the group and they sure as hell won't do anything about it. They want country people to solve their problems for them.
Lefty Bicek wrote: » Why do you put yourself through this ?
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » Like I explained on a previous thread I have Aspergers Syndrome and the subtleties of communication and interacting with other people is not something that comes naturally to me but I keep working at it but in this little debate, I firmly believe I have owned you.
Your analogy of the people of Clondalkin is beyond stupid and I will admit there are a lot of scummers in Clondalkin but at the same time I work with loads of people from Clondalkin never worked with anyone from that so-called ethnic minority but that is not surprising really like 98% of them do not work.
Like I said I have Aspergers and part of communication is knowing when to shut up and I suspect that 21 Youtube videos might be pushing things a bit and this is nothing personal with you attack the posts, not the poster.
Attacking your posts in this has been easy but now it's time for me to bow out I have made my point and I am learning that I should give other people a chance to speak.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I hope you continue to successfully manage your condition, you are doing very well all things considered.
tayto lover wrote: » Ha ha I've never seen you criticise SF and I just wondered why? Let me guess you're a great admirer of their economic policies.
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » Better than 98% of travellers since I working paying taxes not getting state welfare and I have no criminal convictions. All this considered I have no time for apologists. Looking at those numbers the travellers are a social and financial disaster for themselves and wider society.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » I can't believe that she (?) put up that video about aspergers and has the gall to talk about others discrimination? Here's a video for you, gormdubhgorm where the rules of engagement are laid out at the start. No aul bitin and no aul kickinhttps://youtu.be/l28nB_p-0EE
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » Kicking and biting lol what are the rules for a traveller wedding or funeral I wonder?:D Ah well.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » ...Travellers are an often misunderstood minority group.
Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: » Can you please explain what it is that people "misunderstand" about Travellers? They are a self-segregating group that wants little to do with the settled community. They take their children out of school when they hit puberty so that their children don't become attracted to settled children. Deprived of educational opportunity, many Travellers are barely literate, the majority have no formal qualifications, and this leads naturally to being unable to find work: Traveller unemployment rates are above 80%. They marry almost exclusively within their in-group, with many of their girls walking down the aisle with extended family members at an age when settled girls are in Transition Year or studying for the Leaving. Some Traveller girls are married and pregnant even before they can drive a car, drink, or vote. Travellers are disproportionately involved in anti-social behavior, crime, and, increasingly, international organized crime. They have a well-deserved reputation for feuding, wrecking pubs and hotels, and terrorizing settled communities. They are currently engaged in a violent gang feud in Drogheda that involves stabbings, hatchet attacks, kidnappings, and car bombs. Their own culture can rightly be described as dysfunctional -- rates of domestic violence, drug and alcohol abuse, and suicide are off the charts in Traveller communities. And yet you're on here representing them as a "misunderstood minority group." What exactly are we misunderstanding about Travellers?
Graces7 wrote: » Your main para; all that you are objecting to is that they do not conform to YOUR ideas, and why should they? They are a different ethnic minority. So yes, wilfully misunderstood. And if others were treated in eg schools as traveller kids often are? Sure they would leave. Education can always be resumed later in life and frankly is not the be all and end all of life. Are irish folk innocent of the crimes you list? In my years here I have had more serious problems with non-travellers than with travellers. And I mean serious. eg assault. Far more. and equal great kindness and help from both groups. wonder what you would make of the Amish
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Your deliberately taking my post out of context I was saying that the poster in question should have empathy (if possible) as like those with Aspergers the Travellers are an often misunderstood minority group. Or would the poster only have empathy for a Traveller if they have Aspergers???? Anyway he was was in one thing - I have made my points, whether people want to agree with them or not, or twist my point to suit thier agendas. That's up to them.
