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M7 - Naas/Newbridge Bypass Upgrade [Junction 9a now open]

JupiterKid

Following on from the suggestion of a poster, this thread has been set up to discuss the need for widening the M7.

The section of the M7 IMO in immediate need (really a backlog need) for widening is the section from the Maudlins Interchange at Naas to the M9 interchange - basically the original 1983 Naas Bypass and half of the 1993 Newbridge Bypass. Is this likely to proceed in the near future?

Would the central median be wide enough for widening to D3M here? I'm pretty sure it is wide enough on the Newbridge bypass section but I'm not so sure in the case of the Naas Bypass.

Also, what bridges will need to be demolished and rebuilt? Or would it be more practical to drop the hard shoulder through the existing bridges?

What about the proposal a few years back to build a new junction at on the Naas Bypass at Osberstown? Will it still go ahead?

In the longer term, does anyone see a need to widen the M7 to the N7/M8 junction?

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Kamili

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Today the holdup wasn't from Junction 11 to 8 it was from Junction 7 onwards. That's not going to change.

Today a young one (apparently never seen before in Ireland) was pulled in by the Gardaí, might have been a breakdown. Of course, after this was passed traffic picked up again.

How does the government deal with stupid?

It was a breakdown

https://twitter.com/LiveDrive/status/1070581223112761344

https://twitter.com/LiveDrive/status/1070581569532899328

Avatar MIA

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Exactly, with ongoing population increase and the increasing importance of Dublin for jobs then these traffic issues will continue and possibly get worse.

Today the holdup wasn't from Junction 11 to 8 it was from Junction 7 onwards. That's not going to change.

Today a young one (apparently never seen before in Ireland) was pulled in by the Gardaí, might have been a breakdown. Of course, after this was passed traffic picked up again.

How does the government deal with stupid?

Mantis Toboggan

Pablod wrote: »

Yep this --> = this time next year or maybe into 2020 - even with the extra lane we'll be back to square one of gridlock #NoFuturePlanning

Exactly, with ongoing population increase and the increasing importance of Dublin for jobs then these traffic issues will continue and possibly get worse.

Pablod

Yep this -->

ongarboy wrote: »

Near full employment and a buoyant economy means more commuters and commercial vans/trucks etc on the roads combined with Christmas shoppers making the trip to Dublin.

= this time next year or maybe into 2020 - even with the extra lane we'll be back to square one of gridlock

#NoFuturePlanning

ongarboy

Bear in mind additional aggravating factors. Near full employment and a buoyant economy means more commuters and commercial vans/trucks etc on the roads combined with Christmas shoppers making the trip to Dublin. Combine that with messy rainy weather, dark mornings and evenings and the reduced road capacity and restrictions, then you've a perfect storm for all sorts of gridlock!

OldMrBrennan83

pad199207 wrote: »

It really was cruel today.

“Spent 7hrs in the car today to get in and out of Dublin. Whatever they are trying as a traffic plan for the #N7, it's not f**king working.”

Via Twitter

From what I seen it wasn't all the issue anyway, there were massive delays on the Naas road inbound well inside the M50 that were still there after 10:30am. Was just a nightmare day for traffic in Dublin or anywhere heading that way.

pad199207

It really was cruel today.

“Spent 7hrs in the car today to get in and out of Dublin. Whatever they are trying as a traffic plan for the #N7, it's not f**king working.”

Via Twitter

ipodrocker

anyway all the talk of traffic, how is the actual progress of the roadworks coming along?

benny79

harr wrote: »

Have 3 early hospital appointments next week one in crumlin and two in tallaght and just wondering if the traffic jams have eased any...
Travelling from kildare/ Laois border and two weeks ago we were late for a 9am appointment even though we left here at 7am. Less time spent in the car as possible as we will be traveling with a special needs child who does not tolerate traffic jams to well...

no reduction I actually think its worse! I go the back roads in the morning via punchestown/ Rathcoole. Unfortunately you are leaving right at rush hour if I was you I'd be leaving at 6.30am better early than late.

Graniteville

wotswattage wrote: »

Now that everyone is doing 60kmh for a whole week, has there been a reduction in accidents?

I think just one minor accident last week. One small breakdown today but didn't cause much problem.

wotswattage

Now that everyone is doing 60kmh for a whole week, has there been a reduction in accidents?

Chris_5339762

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

I came down Saturday morning through the roadworks. One camera van about halfway along. Adherance to the 60kmh limit was much improved except people seemed to be going about 50kmh instead of 60. Big improvement for me though.

Came back up again today. Everyone pottering along at 60kmh. Very happy with that. A few going much faster but its like night and day versus when I first went through when this all began.

harr

Have 3 early hospital appointments next week one in crumlin and two in tallaght and just wondering if the traffic jams have eased any...
Travelling from kildare/ Laois border and two weeks ago we were late for a 9am appointment even though we left here at 7am. Less time spent in the car as possible as we will be traveling with a special needs child who does not tolerate traffic jams to well...

barneygumble99

Drove the road twice today, northbound around 10am, vast majority doing 60, took about 18 minutes to travel the full length, no issues, 2 speed vans on the northbound side. Drove southbound around 4:45, bit slower alright but moving most of the time, lots of work being done even though it was pretty much dark and very hard to do any kind of outdoor construction work without daylight.

Be well and win

sdanseo wrote: »

Bit silly to be hearing stories of the two vans southbound in peak. Sounds like shooting fish rather than trying to positively effect the commuting direction.

Gatso vans are not this or anywhere and even then are having an effect.

If you had one van then when people pass it and are clear of it then they will accelerate and ignore the limits. 2nd one puts manners on people

I drove it this morning northbound in the rush hour. stuck cruise control on to 60k and motored along. Boring as hell but very smooth and no stop/start until I got to the Round ball and got held up in the Kill junction backlog.

Chris_5339762

I came down Saturday morning through the roadworks. One camera van about halfway along. Adherance to the 60kmh limit was much improved except people seemed to be going about 50kmh instead of 60. Big improvement for me though.

sdanseo

spacetweek wrote: »

The attitude of people like yourself is very frustrating.
Some people don't want there to be any rules on roads whatsoever. Why don't you think Gatso vans are useful? Any attempt at speed limit enforcement, lane discipline etc. and you have people whining about the Gardai.

I'm not complaining about the presence of enforcement at all. It's desperately needed. My point is that putting them both southbound at the busiest time Northbound doesn't make any sense.

spacetweek

sdanseo wrote: »

Bit silly to be hearing stories of the two vans southbound in peak. Sounds like shooting fish rather than trying to positively effect the commuting direction.

But then it's Ireland. We don't understand how or have the will to do transport properly in any form. It's that simple.
And utterly depressing.

Gatso vans are not this or anywhere and even then are having an effect.

The attitude of people like yourself is very frustrating.
Some people don't want there to be any rules on roads whatsoever. Why don't you think Gatso vans are useful? Any attempt at speed limit enforcement, lane discipline etc. and you have people whining about the Gardai.

sdanseo

Bit silly to be hearing stories of the two vans southbound in peak. Sounds like shooting fish rather than trying to positively effect the commuting direction.

But then it's Ireland. We don't understand how or have the will to do transport properly in any form. It's that simple.
And utterly depressing.

marno21 wrote: »

This exercise is also a lesson to the public on the effectiveness of variable speed limits in advance of their deployment on the M50 next year

UK M25 proved this to me 2 years ago when I drove it for the first time. It's amazing effective when coupled with proper enforcement (speed cameras every half mile).

Gatso vans are not this or anywhere and even then are having an effect.

[Deleted User]

Gatso or Go Safe van on northbound side just at end of roadworks at J8 this evening when i passed after 4pm. Traffic in main 2 lanes were all cruising at 60 in fairness then one we passed the ball where naas traffic merges some cool dude in 09 civic hopped into left lane and cruised up past the flow of traffic and had to be doing at least 100 undertaking everyone. Clown slammed on brakes trying to slow down when he copped the van as he passed it. Normally dont like seeing anyone get done but what was he going to save timewise cutting in and passing everyone in the final 200 yards or so of the works. Muppet of the week for sure.

_Kaiser_

SoupyNorman wrote: »

I don’t think it is at all. The difficult part is adjusting from 120kph to 60kph but once you’re down to speed it’s fine. Most folks seem to be obeying the limit now which makes it 10times easier.

Not true. As the asshat in the Merc I encountered last night who didn't want to be delayed and was beeping and tailgating would demonstrate. I had a long subsequent call with Naas gardai about this entire exercise on the rest of the journey

Anyway, as we're not supposed to be discussing the effects these road works are having on the traffic or behavior I'll leave it at that

SoupyNorman

beertons wrote: »

Joined earlier off the Rathangan road to Naas earlier. Tis a hard stretch to do 60. Nobody overtook me though, so didn't feel like I was holding anyone up. What's up with the big hole dug out beside bill Cullen's gaff? It seems to be getting bigger as the days go by.

I don’t think it is at all. The difficult part is adjusting from 120kph to 60kph but once you’re down to speed it’s fine. Most folks seem to be obeying the limit now which makes it 10times easier.

ZX7R

beertons wrote: »

Joined earlier off the Rathangan road to Naas earlier. Tis a hard stretch to do 60. Nobody overtook me though, so didn't feel like I was holding anyone up. What's up with the big hole dug out beside bill Cullen's gaff? It seems to be getting bigger as the days go by.

Looks like it could be a resavour for run off rain water looks similar to one's I saw in Europe.
But I could be a 100% wrong

beertons

Joined earlier off the Rathangan road to Naas earlier. Tis a hard stretch to do 60. Nobody overtook me though, so didn't feel like I was holding anyone up. What's up with the big hole dug out beside bill Cullen's gaff? It seems to be getting bigger as the days go by.

JupiterKid

Sam Russell wrote: »

I think they mean 'dual lane' carriage way to 'triple lane' carriageway. This is proof that they do not employ proof readers - if proof were needed.

The amount of journos who dont have a clue about road classification or typology is a thing to behold. Calling dual carriageways "motorways", mixing up ring roads and bypasses and when it comes to the M50 well then all bets are off...

AugustusMinimus

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

Whoever wrote that article should do a bit of basic research, first; "triple carriageway"??

Haha

I believe some countries do have triple carriageways with 1 of the 3 being reversible lanes

Sam Russell

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

Whoever wrote that article should do a bit of basic research, first; "triple carriageway"??

Haha

I think they mean 'dual lane' carriage way to 'triple lane' carriageway. This is proof that they do not employ proof readers - if proof were needed.

BelfastVanMan

KOR101 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/motorists-speeding-through-roadworks-on-m7-warned-to-slow-down-1.3712291

Whoever wrote that article should do a bit of basic research, first; "triple carriageway"??

Haha

KOR101

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/motorists-speeding-through-roadworks-on-m7-warned-to-slow-down-1.3712291

FredFunk

They should teach Traffic Flow Dynamics in school.