Tombo2001 wrote: » This thread is gas - the amount of people who have set up accounts just to chat in the Margaret Cash thread. Weirdos. Not racist of course, they are completely justified in their 'dislike' of 'some' travellers. Sure didn't their cousins cousin once get verbally abused by a traveller, and don't the travellers all have Mercs and BMWs but still claiming the dole. Every single one of them.
Mark Rippetoe wrote: » Do you have anything to contribute to the thread at all?
Tombo2001 wrote: » Well obviously the only contribution welcomed by the angry mob is to castigate travellers, so as far as you are concerned I obviously don't. One way conversation only. Post your reply and you are guaranteed your 20 thanks from 'like minded' people. No doubt that makes you feel good.
Tombo2001 wrote: » Ah yes..... female journalists.....another bug bear of the angry boardsie. Care to have a pop at cyclists next?
Mark Rippetoe wrote: » Mod: See here. If all you are going to do is post from the bottom portion and aim it at the majority of the thread, then you won't be posting here much longer. Try posting from the top portion and people might stop treating you like you have zero credibility in this thread.
Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: » Travellers are far more likely to be unemployed, commit crimes, and engage in other forms of violent and antisocial behavior.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I know all that my argument is that More integration with travellers = more likely to change negative aspects of the traveller culture such as leaving school early. If there is any traveller crime the line seems to change from anti-travellers that it is not just a high percentage it is all of them. The travellers have put themselves in a strange position they rarely interact on a personal level (never mind intermarry) with non-travellers. (DNA testing proves this) Positive normal relationships are built up. So it is easier to dehumanise them. The traveller mindset of leaving school early is a major problem. For examaple John Connors speaks about his personal discrimination. Saying he had to put on a Dublin accent to get a security guard job, then he was told not to let in travellers in! The most telling part about the likes John Connors despite his drive against discrimination etc. However, he and traveller culture was the main cause of his own situation in the long run. His cousins encouraged him to leave school at 15 etc, as it was almost seen as embarrassing to stay in school longer then that as a traveller. If there is more interaction on a normal level with travellers from non-travellers that is when things will start to improve, education, mindset perception. It is a disgrace that there is only over 30k in the island of Ireland and they cannot be properly integrated in society. I think there is blame on both sides both on the travellers side and non travellers side. It is a lets keep out each others way unless absolutely necessary, tactic from both sides on the whole. How is that going to solve anything? Margaret Cash's will keep reappearing unless there is a more common sense approach.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » The travellers have put themselves in a strange position they rarely interactIf there is more interaction on a normal level with travellers from non-travellers that is when things will start to improve, education, mindset perception.
Gravelly wrote: » The issue you are missing is that travellers lifestyles are funded by “the settled community” - we pay for their existence. What do they bring to the table in return?
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Sweet Fintan Adams.
Deebles McBeebles wrote: » Would agree there are issues on both sides but at this point, after this much help financially, the onus has to be on travellers changing their ways to catch up with the rest of society. We certainly shouldn't have to pay for them through taxation if they aren't putting the effort in. Too much outcry and calls of racism and not enough looking inward.
Graces7 wrote: » Travellers are never going to conform to ordinary Irish standards. It is not in their ... culture.. to do so. Not in their makeup. That was why the govt(?) statement was made about them being a different culture etc.
KrustyUCC wrote: » Traveller culture will not change as their currently is no incentive for them to change imo
Deebles McBeebles wrote: » What incentive would you suggest? I can't some up with anything that might be viable. I agree by the way, I wouldn't want to change either if it was me. Although I'm sure some travellers would like to integrate more into society there will always be the rest.
Floppybits wrote: » They bring their culture and traditions. Something about songs and language.
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » No incentive at all. They've had decades of carrot and it's done f**k all but embolden them. Stick all the way now: Kids not in school ? Prosecution and removal of children's allowance Married at 15 ? Prosecuted for unlawful intercourse Criminal acts ? Locked up - nothing concurrent or suspended, hard jail time. The only way they want to "integrate" into anything is when the homeowner is away. Or 87.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » how about some disincentives instead like increased garda resources to investigate their criminality and proper prison sentences when convicted. It doesnt have to be all carrot, there should be some stick as well.
KrustyUCC wrote: » very true the majority don't want to integrate and are happier living on the outskirts of society Hard to keep up the culture and way of life if taxpayers weren't funding their entire lifestyle though
KrustyUCC wrote: » Yup that's true as well Maybe there might be a change in that way of thinking after Peter Casey I would think that there is a lot of votes there for any government that disincentives long term unemployment Look after people who lose their jobs for a while absolutely but make sure that people are worse off on welfare than they would be working
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I know all that my argument is that More integration with travellers = more likely to change negative aspects of the traveller culture such as leaving school early.
If there is any traveller crime, the line seems to change from anti-travellers that it is not just a high percentage it is all of them. This only exacerbates the problem.
The travellers have put themselves in a strange position they rarely interact on a personal level (never mind intermarry) with non-travellers. (DNA testing proves this) Positive normal relationships need to be built up. So it is easier to dehumanise them. The traveller mindset of leaving school early is a major problem.
If there is more interaction on a normal level with travellers from non-travellers that is when things will start to improve, education, mindset perception.
It is a disgrace that there is only over 30k in the island of Ireland and they cannot be properly integrated in society.
Positive relationships and friendships need to be formed in order to build up trust. Barriers need to be broken down and common interests shared.
But the way some people are talking you would swear that interacting with travellers will result in death like this US fella when he went to a remote Indian tribe.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » Who is at fault for the lack of integration? Is it the country peoples fault as per usual? A more common sense approach by who? Again you expect country people to change to accommodate travelers. What are travelers doing to change their situation?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Re-read again I said both sides.
