Tombo2001 wrote: » Or alternatively, this thread is about people venting - about two things. Number 1. Travellers. Number 2. Anyone who might have anything remotely positive to say about travellers. Both are equally to be ridiculed. Its not a debate, its not a two way discussion. Its an angry mob basically.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » That's not even a discussion that's going on in this thread. This thread is about one particular serial sponger and the taxpayer funding their lifestyle while they hide behind some 'cultural' thing, aided and abetted by spineless politicians and brainless SJW liberal types with blue hair. God I really hope RTÉ do a TV series on her. Of course they're smart enough to know not to. Probably still smarting over the whole Peter Casey late late incident. If this was across the pond Channel 4 would have had season 1 wrapped up already. Something along the lines of 'Christmas with the Cash's'.
Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: » That was Kelly McDonagh-Mongan, subsequent star of What Kelly Did Next, who later came out to protest against a government proposal to stop under-18s from marrying: “It’s part of our tradition and any law that stops young people getting married is against Travellers.” There you have it -- try to stop 16-year-olds from getting married, and you're branded anti-Traveller.
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » I remember her - cracking voice. Sadly knew she'd never get anywhere, God given talent and you knew she'd be knocking out kids for the best part of her life.
AndyBoBandy wrote: » They did similar a few years ago with a contestant on the Voice of Ireland that happened to be a traveller (who ironically was pregnant during her run on the show).
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » God I really hope RTÉ do a TV series on her. Of course they're smart enough to know not to. Probably still smarting over the whole Peter Casey late late incident. If this was across the pond Channel 4 would have had season 1 wrapped up already. Something along the lines of 'Christmas with the Cash's'.
Jerichoholic wrote: » Why not give her her own television show?
Tombo2001 wrote: » So the point is that a lot of these people have miserable lives, and comparatively speaking I have quite a good life - so it would be a bit rich for me to compound their misery by whingeing about them on boards.ie. My opinion. A lot of people here clearly see it a different way.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Sadly, a lot of the people on this thread seem to be suffering from out-group homogeneity bias. A bias which makes them view a group that is not thier own as one - as one who all think or act the same leading to stereotypes.https://psychologydictionary.org/outgroup-homogeneity-bias/ Which is why I tried to make the point that settled people are not grouped into one group, yet they have committed the majority of serious crimes (murders etc) in this country. In fact it is only settled people that have ever led this country to civil war for example! The above logic is as sound as people saying that all travellers are xyz, one and the and the same! Unfortunately, the point I was making was lost on a lot of people on this thread, which they do not wish to, or cannot grasp. If you were to take the majority of this thread as gospel, travellers assault everyone, steal, constantly fight, none want to go to education beyond Junior Cert. Yet it was telling when I brought up the fact that a traveller became the first Primary techer in Ireland it was siezed upon as unfair because it was an access programme. But exactly the same thing is tried for disadvantaged groups in the settled community who need a push in the right direction. Another poster was implying that since he knew of a travellers brother who burnt his brothers school books, the same thing will befall any traveller who is going to attempt decent education. Oh that poster also informed me that the particular traveller (whose books were burnt) was now an alcoholic. As if it was going to happen to all travellers!
sightband wrote: » Cash ‘n Carry
ohnonotgmail wrote: » there is a word for that.
Humphrey BoaGart wrote: » I'm sure Penneys have a good few episodes of her on their CCTV :pac:
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » The one next door has a succession of blokes in when her aul fella is banged up. Which is quite often.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » See thats the problem with the 10 commandments. Not everybody uses the same 10. I wasn't aware that adultery was a big issue for them. Or the coveting of their neighbours wives. For us catholics 5,7 and 10 are the most relevant.
jmayo wrote: » You really are living in cloud cuckoo land. And while these events would be on, would the traveller participants have family members around "keeping an eye on" the homes of the settled people at the events. BTW if you want to see what can happen when travellers participate with members of the settled community in joint events take a look at what happened to referee Daniel Sweeney. Yeah religious except in their non adherence to a couple of the commandments, namely 7 and 10. Those ones don't appear to exist in the traveller bible.
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » To be honest the ones by me aren't massive on 6 or 9 neither.
Deebles McBeebles wrote: » I'd up the 60 months JSA in case of another, who am I kidding, for when the next bust hits but I wouldn't disagree with any of your post. As you said its not just travellers although they do seem to make up a large proportion of this particular issue.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » OK. But the point is what?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » My solution would be to encourage more positive interaction with travellers and non-travellers If people get to know each other they would be less inclined to have preconceived notions of each other and would be less inclined to treat each other with suspicion. Similar to cross community initiatives in NI, they used to fire bullets at each other, and bomb each other not so long ago. The travellers are culturally into. Men into boxing, traditional music, and horses. A lot of the women are extremely religious. Events could be created so common values could be shared etc etc If people got to know each other things could look a bit brighter in the future.
tuxy wrote: » Traveller women are very religous in many ways. They won't use contraception.
Deebles McBeebles wrote: » Even if you have no issue with people of any culture or ethnicity doing this, bigger picture, its really not helping the long term future of the planet. No person in this day and age should have 7 or 8 kids. Its irresponsible. When you can't pay for them yourself, its negligent.
Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: » Over 80 percent of Travellers are unemployed. But according to CSO fertility statistics on women aged 40 to 49, half of Traveller women have five or more children, and 13.5 percent have 8+ children. Just one in 20 settled women have five or more children. You really think that if Travellers did not have the security of lifelong unemployment benefits and the added incentive of child benefit (€1,120 per month for eight children), they would be popping out so many kids? Margaret Cash was married at 15, pregnant at 16, and a mother of seven by 28. Is this the kind of "culture" the taxpayer should be funding -- a culture of uneducated child brides whose only way to increase their household income is to have more and more kids?
end of the road wrote: » if such supports really do incentivise people to have children and end up in whatever situation, it's likely a very very small minority...
