gormdubhgorm wrote: » Sadly, a lot of the people on this thread seem to be suffering from out-group homogeneity bias. A bias which makes them view a group that is not thier own as one - as one who all think or act the same leading to stereotypes.https://psychologydictionary.org/outgroup-homogeneity-bias/ Which is why I tried to make the point that settled people are not grouped into one group, yet they have committed the majority of serious crimes (murders etc) in this country. In fact it is only settled people that have ever led this country to civil war for example! The above logic is as sound as people saying that all travellers are xyz, one and the and the same! Unfortunately, the point I was making was lost on a lot of people on this thread, which they do not wish to, or cannot grasp. If you were to take the majority of this thread as gospel, travellers assault everyone, steal, constantly fight, none want to go to education beyond Junior Cert. Yet it was telling when I brought up the fact that a traveller became the first Primary techer in Ireland it was siezed upon as unfair because it was an access programme. But exactly the same thing is tried for disadvantaged groups in the settled community who need a push in the right direction.
Gravelly wrote: » I submit this post to the jury as a strong contender for Most Ridiculous Post of The Year 2018.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Sadly, a lot of the people on this thread seem to be suffering from out-group homogeneity bias. A bias which makes them view a group that is not thier own as one - as one who all think or act the same leading to stereotypes.https://psychologydictionary.org/outgroup-homogeneity-bias/ Which is why I tried to make the point that settled people are not grouped into one group, yet they have committed the majority of serious crimes (murders etc) in this country. In fact it is only settled people that have ever led this country to civil war for example! The above logic is as sound as people saying that all travellers are xyz, one and the and the same! Unfortunately, the point I was making was lost on a lot of people on this thread, which they do not wish to, or cannot grasp. If you were to take the majority of this thread as gospel, travellers assault everyone, steal, constantly fight, none want to go to education beyond Junior Cert. Yet it was telling when I brought up the fact that a traveller became the first Primary techer in Ireland it was siezed upon as unfair because it was an access programme. But exactly the same thing is tried for disadvantaged groups in the settled community who need a push in the right direction. Another poster was implying that since he knew of a travellers brother who burnt his brothers school books, the same thing will befall any traveller who is going to attempt decent education. Oh that poster also informed me that the particular traveller (whose books were burnt) was now an alcoholic. As if it was going to happen to all travellers!
dan1895 wrote: » Na that's still the lad who said settled people go onto halting sites to dump their rubbish.
jmayo wrote: » Yeah whatever crapology you want to spin, it doesn't negate the facts that your statement in bold is nearer the actual truth than you would actually care to admit. BTW maybe if you could deal in facts you would know that the story highlighted earlier is not of a Ireland's first traveller teacher as claim, it is in fact highlighting the fact a traveller has started first year in college training to becoming a teacher. Big fooking difference. You play loose with facts and maybe that is why you can't see the ones that confront most of us.
jmayo wrote: » Yeah whatever crapology you want to spin, it doesn't negate the facts that your statement in bold is nearer the actual truth than you would actually care to admit. BTW maybe if you could deal in facts you would know that the story highlighted earlier is not of Ireland's first traveller teacher as you proudly claim, it is in fact highlighting the fact a traveller has started first year in college training to becoming a teacher. Big fooking difference. You play loose with facts and maybe that is why you can't see the ones that confront most of us.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Yet it was telling when I brought up the fact that a traveller became the first Primary techer in Ireland it was siezed upon as unfair because it was an access programme.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » that post seems to have disappeared.
Gravelly wrote: » It says everything that someone starting the first year of teacher training college is hailed as a huge breakthrough. Wonder what the unit cost would be per teacher, given the amount of extra funding thrown at traveller education programmes? €10 million? €20 million? It would be cheaper to just let them all draw the dole.
KrustyUCC wrote: » https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105353373&postcount=30
gormdubhgorm wrote: » So where do they start then do nothing? When something is done = oh no look at the cost of that. When nothing is done = ah sure they are all lazy, thieving, smelly, inbred spongers on the dole anyway! Or maybe you would prefer the state to round up traveller children with the army similar to what Australia did with the Aborigines?https://www.australianstogether.org.au/discover/australian-history/stolen-generations Would that be cheaper alternative? What's your solution?
KrustyUCC wrote: » Be some brave people to go onto halting sites and dump rubbish there
Originally Posted by kylith Of course they don't deserve squalor. No one deserves squalor, but when they manufacture the squalor themselves what can you do? It's not the settled community going to halting sites and throwing sh around the place.
Originally Posted by Joeytheparrot It often is the settled community dumping crap at sites by the way
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Sadly, a lot of the people on this thread seem to be suffering from out-group homogeneity bias. A bias which makes them view a group that is not thier own as one - as one who all think or act the same leading to stereotypes.https://psychologydictionary.org/outgroup-homogeneity-bias/Which is why I tried to make the point that settled people are not grouped into one group, yet they have committed the majority of serious crimes (murders etc) in this country. In fact it is only settled people that have ever led this country to civil war for example! The above logic is as sound as people saying that all travellers are xyz, one and the and the same! Unfortunately, the point I was making was lost on a lot of people on this thread, which they do not wish to, or cannot grasp. If you were to take the majority of this thread as gospel, travellers assault everyone, steal, constantly fight, none want to go to education beyond Junior Cert. Yet it was telling when I brought up the fact that a traveller became the first Primary techer in Ireland it was siezed upon as unfair because it was an access programme. But exactly the same thing is tried for disadvantaged groups in the settled community who need a push in the right direction.Another poster was implying that since he knew of a travellers brother who burnt his brothers school books, the same thing will befall any traveller who is going to attempt decent education. Oh that poster also informed me that the particular traveller (whose books were burnt) was now an alcoholic. As if it was going to happen to all travellers!
Omackeral wrote: » Omack has your back. I actually love re-posting this as it is utterly ridiculous and the poster Joeytheparrot never had the balls to respond to it once.
CinemaGuy45 wrote: » I have seen some ****e on this board but that post beats them all by a mile.
Gravelly wrote: » You're some flower - to go from dodging the cost of education to rounding up children - get up the yard. I've no issue with putting money into trying to get travellers to act like civilised people, but if it takes tens of millions of euros to end up with one trainee teacher, as a taxpayer, I balk a bit. What happened all the money? Are we not allowed to ask? It seems poor value to those of us actually funding it.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » That was the reason the Australians rounded up 'the Abbos' to educate them get them civilsed... Suddenly you have decided it could take 10s of millions of Euro's to train a traveller to be a teacher, yet in the same post say they would be better on the dole. Then you would be the very person giving out about them on the dole/dole fraud etc They need the extra push in education because there is no role model for them a lot of thier parents would see it as a waste of time. As all you need is to add and subtract etc. Then the cycle continues and wastes more money. The access programme is an attempt to break the cycle, it might not work in every situation, but it is a start.
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » "Settled people" are not stoating about the place looking for ethnic status.
Gravelly wrote: » So we are not allowed to give out about dole fraud? Just suck it up eh? Nor are we allowed to question vast sums being (apparently) wasted on education programmes that have idiotically low success rates? Cos if we do those things, aborigines will get rounded up or something :rolleyes: The more you post, the less sense it makes. If you are a product of one of these education programmes, then it is surely money wasted.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » That was the reason the Australians rounded up 'the Abbos' to educate them get them civilsed... Suddenly you have decided it could take 10s of millions of Euro's to train a traveller to be a teacher, yet in the same post say they would be better on the dole. Then you would be the very person giving out about them on the dole/dole fraud etcThey need the extra push in education because there is no role model for them a lot of thier parents would see it as a waste of time. As all you need is to add and subtract etc. Then the cycle continues and wastes more money. The access programme is an attempt to break the cycle, it might not work in every situation, but it is a start.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Your deliberately convoluting my posts I made it simple for you to understand. Now you are just playing to the gallery. What would your solution be to do with the travellers. Let's call you Taoiseach for the year what would your strategy be? Since you do not like any current efforts, have you any ideas?
Gravelly wrote: » Hilarious to accuse me of convoluting your posts - they are an absolute meandering mess. My solution is simple - impose the law. They won't send their kids to school - jail them. They are driving new cars and living in new caravans with no means of income - send in CAB. Fighting at a wedding/christening/funeral/assorted family gathering - send in the riot squad. Long jail terms for persistent offending. Drawing the dole for years - haul them in - check what jobs they've applied for, are they who they say they are, does their lifestyle match their income. Make them obey the law like the rest of us have to, and in 5 years, you'd do more to help traveller children than any money buring education programme.
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