T-b0n3 wrote: » Hello, I've been following this thread for ages, but a lot of it goes over my head unfortunately. I bought a new build 2 years ago, and the house came with Climote smart heating controls, 2 EPH thermostats, 2 zones (up & downstairs) and hot water. I didn't like the Climote system, it has a poor interface and no integration with GHome. After the first 12 months was up I declined to pay my subscription fee for the sim card to connect to the net, which is crazy system. Since then I've wanted to upgrade to Nest or similar, and now that the cold weather is back I really need to do it, plus it's black Friday. Unfortunately I'm not well versed in this area. Is there a good beginners guide that's suitable to me? I understand I'd need two Nests to control both zones + hw independently, but if I just got 1 Nest, would that enable me to control the whole house (not up and down separately) heating plus hw? As that could be a good & cheaper starting point. I'm inclined towards Nest since Google own them and I'm invested in the Google Ecosystem, but open to other alternatives. Tempted to just order a Nest today and work out the rest later. Would that be silly? Any thoughts or advice appreciated.
deezell wrote: » Are the stats wired in, have they digital display or mechanical rotary dial. Maybe a picture?
deezell wrote: » Get a cheap Sonoff switch, program schedule via Sonoff app and link to Echo
T-b0n3 wrote: » Not sure about wired in, I assume they are. No digital display, just a mechanical rotary dial, picture below: Thanks deezell
deezell wrote: » It's shocking that the climote is described as a 'Smart heating controller' , when its temperature sensors are 130 year old mechanical technology. The EPH stats are durable mechanical thermostat switches, but as dumb as rock. The climote controller, pretty looking though it is, actually claims to ' mimic your mechanical timer' thats exactly all it does. Only 3 events per day. No setting temperature per event. The climote website shows temperature readings for each zone but those stats aren't electronic. No wonder you want rid. You can wire any two tado stats directly in place of the EPH, and a tado ext kit in place of the climote for HW. You can do similar with hive, one stat with a CH relay, another with a HW+CH relay. With nest, the stat is wireless to the heatlink box, which is wired in place of the climote, and initially you can join the 2 CH zones together until you get a second Nest. The existing EPH stats can either be removed and the wires joined, or else just turned up full. You can put the nest in the old eph location, and reuse the redundant stat cables by cutting both from the controller/ zone vale, and wiring them to the Nest heatlink low voltage terminals to provide power and direct signalling for the Nest. Otherwise the nest needs a phone charger style power adaptor.
barneyrub wrote: » Any chance of a dummies guide to this? We have a regular oil boiler. Just one zone ...heats rads and water at one time. WE had one of those analogue controls and replaced it with a digital one but to program it I need a maths degree!!! And if you want to change it quickly e.g. before you leave if you know you'll be home late/early it's impossible!!! Just wondering if the sonoff switch would be of any use to us? tia
BelovedAunt wrote: » Lads all I'm using at the moment for heating is plug-in oil heaters. I want to get a Nest or something similar, but I'm wondering which heating system would be most compatible for smart heating? I'm in an apartment so the default heating is storage heaters but I find them very poor.
Clareman wrote: » I have the same setup as you and I've just gotten a Netamo installed (free fom Energia) and I find it brilliant. I leave the little cube on the hall table and just use my phone to set the temp for the house. There's as schedule you can setup but I was working from home so I didnn't bother setting that up yet, I will soon though.
whatawaster wrote: » Hoping to get some guidance about upgrading my heating controls to a smart system. One that integrates fully with Google Home, and voice control. I believe I have a 3 zone system (downstairs, upstairs, Hot Water) Some pics: I have two controls like these (one upstairs and one downstairs), which I never touch. This is the panel I use to turn each zone on/off and set timers. My boiler is in the garage, not sure if that makes a difference in any of this. Any advice as to what I'd need to get started. All things being equal, I'd probably prefer a Nest, but they are very pricey, so i've looked at some alternatives like Hive, Netatmo and Tado, but to be honest, I'm more confused than when I started.
whosedaddy? wrote: » Hi there. Doing refurb with new UFH downstairs and rads upstairs. Planning on 3 UFH zones , 1 upstairs zone (4rads) + hot water. For some reason I have the urge wanting to control rads upstairs independently, only to have bathroom separate from bedrooms. Maybe stupid idea , but can't see systen to do this with best. Evohome has smart tvrs and you can zone them. So could have 2 "zones" upstairs. But not sure about their UHF integration. In all looks like very expensive system. Any first hand experience with heatmiser, hive, tado, etc. Or maybe the plan to separate the bathroom is just not smart thing to do. Thanks a mil.
duffman13 wrote: » Happy days, have ordered the same and have a similar set up. Dipping the toe a little and will see how it goes and hopefully upgrade again next year.
copacetic wrote: » I have similar setup with one zone upstairs and heatmiser works well. May depend on how well insulated your house is to have a single zone if temp varies from room to room a lot. Have 4 ufh zones downstairs and it’s fine too. Mostly we never touch app or the stats, just get the settings and schedule right and leave it alone pretty much b
whosedaddy? wrote: » Thanks. Sounds good. My worry is that with bedrooms being on the cooler side, the bathroom will not be warm. We are getting EWI as well, but said bathroom is currently coldest room in the house.
punisher5112 wrote: » Likes of netatamo would suit you perfectly. Get while on sale at the moment too. I got mine about 2 years ago for €99 off their own site but it's not as cheap now, but still a good deal on Amazon etc.
Clareman wrote: » I've been told to upgrade to zonal heating would be a massive job as it would involve changing pipes, the netamo is great though, this evening for example I was out for longer than I thought, logged into the app, changed to "out" so it turned the heat down, about a half an hour before I was due to go home I set it back to "normal", house was lovely and warm, before the heat would have been on for an hour with no one home and then another hour on boost afterwards at least to get the house back to "not cold". Another bonus is we always have hot water now, before you'd probably have hot water but if the heat hadn't been on for a couple of days (stove) you mightn't always have boiling hot water from the taps, 3 power showers so it was never an issue really just a bonus.
Black_Knight wrote: » One big switch have a deal going. Join energia (decent rates) and get a free netatmo.
duffman13 wrote: » Got this aswell, rates are very competitive, the free Netatmo and 150 cash back makes it a no brainer if you are not in a contract
maxamillius wrote: » So back to basics here.... In a simple boiler setup (heating and water) on single zone, either on or off, is the wall stat used to bring on the circulating pump? I was thinking about installing a netatmo just to get some basic app control over the heating. As it stands I have to flick the boiler on via a switch located on it, either that or use the integral analogue time clock. Is it possible for me to install netatmo? How would I go about switching the boiler on? Stat is a basic wall mounted 2 cable stat.
deezell wrote: » Can you heat HW while the stat is fully turned down and the rads are cold. If so you have gravity HW and pumped CH. On the other hand if HW only heats when the stat is up and the CH is on you have a single zone pumped system. In either case you can replace the wired wall stat with a netatmo or tado, and set the boiler on full or for a timed period during which the stat will control the CH times.
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