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Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/homeless-mumofseven-margaret-cash-appears-in-court-over-stealing-300-worth-of-clothes-from-penneys-37434491.html

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xi5yvm0owc1s2b

[Deleted User] wrote: »

ITS NO GOOD HAVING ONE LAW FOR ONE COMMUNITY AND NOTHING FOR ANOTHER

Finally, something we can agree on!

dan1895

The day of the Euro 2020 draw in the city. Fantastic stuff.

tabby aspreme

Is the, Paddy Doherty, who is organizing this march in Dublin, the lad from Gypsy Wedding, if it is ,he must be trying to raise his profile here, as his, and his family's star is falling rapidly with the UK public.

mikemac2

Graces7 wrote: »

Sorry what do you mean by why? Because they are like a foreign nation in many ways. Would you eg ask French people to stop being French? To change eg food, language?

At present the attitudes expressed are exacerbating the situation. Travellers are never going to conform to ordinary Irish standards. It is not in their ... culture.. to do so. Not in their makeup. That was why the govt(?) statement was made about them being a different culture etc.

They once had a culture. Travel around as tinkers and pick up metal repair work from farmers and also good at handling horses. They had a good relationship with farmers as they were dirt poor and needed the work. But they many/most in Ireland were poor too. It isn't that long ago, 1950's even and later. Tinker wasn't a dirty word either

Somewhere along the way the horse and trap turned into a high spec non taxed British reg 4x4 and from depending on farmers for work the farmers now fear them.

You are dreaming of a distant past Grace and one that is never coming back

malinheader

Mongfinder General wrote: »

There’s an “accounting” coming. A man, a relative unknown in political circles, recently made a quite reasonable statement criticizing the approach taken by a certain ethnicity to housing. Just over a week later those of us with a keener sense of reason voted in our droves for this man to be president. I’m quite happy with the job RTE and msm are doing. The worm has turned and we’re seeing it at the ballot box.

Hope you're right. But if Europe and most of our politicians get there way I fear the respectable, law abiding irish citizens will become the ethnic minority. Hope I'm wrong.

Mongfinder General

Gravelly wrote: »

Hilarious - wrecking pubs, fighting with slash hooks, and setting up fake compo claims for "falls" is classed as "culture" with them. The sense of entitlement is off the scale.

There’s an “accounting” coming. A man, a relative unknown in political circles, recently made a quite reasonable statement criticizing the approach taken by a certain ethnicity to housing. Just over a week later those of us with a keener sense of reason voted in our droves for this man to be president. I’m quite happy with the job RTE and msm are doing. The worm has turned and we’re seeing it at the ballot box.

Gravelly

CONSTANTLY BEING TURNT AWAY FROM PLACES JUST BECAUSE OF OUR CULTURE

Noveight wrote: »

The culture of inter-family brawling at First Holy Communions, that is.

Hilarious - wrecking pubs, fighting with slash hooks, and setting up fake compo claims for "falls" is classed as "culture" with them. The sense of entitlement is off the scale.

Signore Fancy Pants

D1ckheads

blanch152

Graces7 wrote: »

Sorry what do you mean by why? Because they are like a foreign nation in many ways. Would you eg ask French people to stop being French? To change eg food, language?

At present the attitudes expressed are exacerbating the situation. Travellers are never going to conform to ordinary Irish standards. It is not in their ... culture.. to do so. Not in their makeup. That was why the govt(?) statement was made about them being a different culture etc.

sorry; too weary and in pain to say more as some of you are jumping on me and I need all my wits to repsond. properly

but I have never written a dishonest post; terrible thing to accuse of.

But clesarly the current attitide is getting nowhere. They will never conform as you are seeking.

blessings and peace

I am happy to ask Africans to remove Female Genital Mutilation from their culture. Would you just prefer that I don't call for this anymore?

I am also happy to ask Muslims to change their culture to treat women better. Would you just prefer that the current treatment of women in Islamic countries just be accepted?

I have similar asks of Traveller culture.

Noveight

CONSTANTLY BEING TURNT AWAY FROM PLACES JUST BECAUSE OF OUR CULTURE

The culture of inter-family brawling at First Holy Communions, that is.

dense

Seriously though, what exactly is this traveller culture I hear so much about?

I aspire to being cultured, could their culture be for me too?

Silent Running

"One law for one community and nothing for another"?

So they do see themselves as outside of the laws that govern the rest of us. There it is in black and white. Am I still allowed to use that phrase? :rolleyes:

Jerichoholic

Gravelly wrote: »

A nuke might be a bit harsh, but I'd like to see the long-term economic workings all the same, just for curiosity like.

The government would have an awful lot of extra money all of a sudden.

Gravelly

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Can we nuke Dublin on the 2nd?

A nuke might be a bit harsh, but I'd like to see the long-term economic workings all the same, just for curiosity like.

Jerichoholic

Can we nuke Dublin on the 2nd?

jippo nolan

Odelay wrote: »

“WERE ASKING FOR AS MANY TRAVLERS AS POSSIBLE IN DUBLIN ON THE 2nd OF DECEMBER”

Christ, they’ll have to shut the place down. The run up to Christmas and all.

Better lock up the shops so!

Gravelly

Odelay wrote: »

“WERE ASKING FOR AS MANY TRAVLERS AS POSSIBLE IN DUBLIN ON THE 2nd OF DECEMBER”

Christ, they’ll have to shut the place down. The run up to Christmas and all.

I believe all the pubs and hotels have private parties that day.

Jerichoholic

Deleted User wrote: »

Now they want to be an ethnic group of settled people!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2239674716289515&set=p.2239674716289515&type=3&theater

“PROTEST MARCH FOR TRAVLERS OF IRELAND IN DUBLIN ON THE 2nd DECEMBER 2018

PADDY DOHERTY AND MYSELF ARE CURRENTLY ORGANISING A PROTEST MARCH AGAINST Mr PETER CASEY AND ALSO WE WANT TO GET IT THROUGH TO WHOEVER THAT IT MAY CONCERN THAT TRAVLERS WANT TO BE MADE AN ETHNIC GROUP OF SETTLED PEOPLE THROUGH LAW , WERE NO DIFFERENT THEN MUSLIMS , ASIANS OR BLACKS OR AFRO OR CARIBBEAN OR WHATEVER CREED OR CULTURE THERE IS OUT THERE AND PUBLIC OR AS WE SAY COUNTRY PEOPLE CAN’T BE ABUSIVE OR DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM SO WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE BE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST OUR TRAVLER COMMUNITY , ITS NO GOOD HAVING ONE LAW FOR ONE COMMUNITY AND NOTHING FOR ANOTHER AND WE WANT YOU TO LISTEN TO TRAVLERS AND MAKE OUR COMMUNITY A ETHNIC GROUP OF PEOPLE THROUGH LAW , AND IM NOT BEING RACIST WHAT IM GOING TO SAY NOW BUT IF WE OR ANYONE ELSE CALLED A MEMBER FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY A NAME OR CALLED SOMEONE A PAKI OR ANYTHING ELSE WE WOULD GET ARRESTED FOR THAT SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO TOLERATE BEING CALLED NAMES AND RACIST ABUSE AND CONSTANTLY BEING TURNT AWAY FROM PLACES JUST BECAUSE OF OUR CULTURE
THIS NEEDS TO STOP WERE HUMAN BEINGS JUST LIKE ALL THESE OTHER CREEDS AND CULTURES , SO WERE ASKING FOR AS MANY TRAVLERS AS POSSIBLE IN DUBLIN ON THE 2nd OF DECEMBER AND ITS TIME TO ACT NOW ITS TIME YOU ALL DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT”

Stay as far away from Dublin on that day as humanly possible. That is going to be a big disaster.

CONSTANTLY BEING TURNT AWAY FROM PLACES JUST BECAUSE OF OUR CULTURE

Such absolute nonsense. They are "turnt" away because they have zero manners and destroy every pub or hotel they are let into. That's not racist.

vonlars

Deleted User wrote: »

Now they want to be an ethnic group of settled people!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2239674716289515&set=p.2239674716289515&type=3&theater

“PROTEST MARCH FOR TRAVLERS OF IRELAND IN DUBLIN ON THE 2nd DECEMBER 2018

PADDY DOHERTY AND MYSELF ARE CURRENTLY ORGANISING A PROTEST MARCH AGAINST Mr PETER CASEY AND ALSO WE WANT TO GET IT THROUGH TO WHOEVER THAT IT MAY CONCERN THAT TRAVLERS WANT TO BE MADE AN ETHNIC GROUP OF SETTLED PEOPLE THROUGH LAW , WERE NO DIFFERENT THEN MUSLIMS , ASIANS OR BLACKS OR AFRO OR CARIBBEAN OR WHATEVER CREED OR CULTURE THERE IS OUT THERE AND PUBLIC OR AS WE SAY COUNTRY PEOPLE CAN’T BE ABUSIVE OR DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM SO WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE BE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST OUR TRAVLER COMMUNITY , ITS NO GOOD HAVING ONE LAW FOR ONE COMMUNITY AND NOTHING FOR ANOTHER AND WE WANT YOU TO LISTEN TO TRAVLERS AND MAKE OUR COMMUNITY A ETHNIC GROUP OF PEOPLE THROUGH LAW , AND IM NOT BEING RACIST WHAT IM GOING TO SAY NOW BUT IF WE OR ANYONE ELSE CALLED A MEMBER FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY A NAME OR CALLED SOMEONE A PAKI OR ANYTHING ELSE WE WOULD GET ARRESTED FOR THAT SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO TOLERATE BEING CALLED NAMES AND RACIST ABUSE AND CONSTANTLY BEING TURNT AWAY FROM PLACES JUST BECAUSE OF OUR CULTURE
THIS NEEDS TO STOP WERE HUMAN BEINGS JUST LIKE ALL THESE OTHER CREEDS AND CULTURES , SO WERE ASKING FOR AS MANY TRAVLERS AS POSSIBLE IN DUBLIN ON THE 2nd OF DECEMBER AND ITS TIME TO ACT NOW ITS TIME YOU ALL DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT”

I wish travellers would take the time to at least learn how to spell 'travellers'.

And wanted to be seen as a 'settled ethnic minority'? The irony :rolleyes:

Odelay

“WERE ASKING FOR AS MANY TRAVLERS AS POSSIBLE IN DUBLIN ON THE 2nd OF DECEMBER”

Christ, they’ll have to shut the place down. The run up to Christmas and all.

tayto lover

Deleted User wrote: »

Now they want to be an ethnic group of settled people!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2239674716289515&set=p.2239674716289515&type=3&theater

“PROTEST MARCH FOR TRAVLERS OF IRELAND IN DUBLIN ON THE 2nd DECEMBER 2018

PADDY DOHERTY AND MYSELF ARE CURRENTLY ORGANISING A PROTEST MARCH AGAINST Mr PETER CASEY AND ALSO WE WANT TO GET IT THROUGH TO WHOEVER THAT IT MAY CONCERN THAT TRAVLERS WANT TO BE MADE AN ETHNIC GROUP OF SETTLED PEOPLE THROUGH LAW , WERE NO DIFFERENT THEN MUSLIMS , ASIANS OR BLACKS OR AFRO OR CARIBBEAN OR WHATEVER CREED OR CULTURE THERE IS OUT THERE AND PUBLIC OR AS WE SAY COUNTRY PEOPLE CAN’T BE ABUSIVE OR DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM SO WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE BE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST OUR TRAVLER COMMUNITY , ITS NO GOOD HAVING ONE LAW FOR ONE COMMUNITY AND NOTHING FOR ANOTHER AND WE WANT YOU TO LISTEN TO TRAVLERS AND MAKE OUR COMMUNITY A ETHNIC GROUP OF PEOPLE THROUGH LAW , AND IM NOT BEING RACIST WHAT IM GOING TO SAY NOW BUT IF WE OR ANYONE ELSE CALLED A MEMBER FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY A NAME OR CALLED SOMEONE A PEAKI OR ANYTHING ELSE WE WOULD GET ARRESTED FOR THAT SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO TOLERATE BEING CALLED NAMES AND RACIST ABUSE AND CONSTANTLY BEING TURNT AWAY FROM PLACES JUST BECAUSE OF OUR CULTURE
THIS NEEDS TO STOP WERE HUMAN BEINGS JUST LIKE ALL THESE OTHER CREEDS AND CULTURES , SO WERE ASKING FOR AS MANY TRAVLERS AS POSSIBLE IN DUBLIN ON THE 2nd OF DECEMBER AND ITS TIME TO ACT NOW ITS TIME YOU ALL DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT”

That deserved a very long sentence.

ohnonotgmail

Do they not realise they are already a protected ethnicity?

[Deleted User]

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Oh don't worry Maggie is still around

Protest March for Travellers of Ireland in Dublin on 2nd of December to look forward to

Protest against Mr Peter Casey and apparently travlers want to be made an ethnic group of settled people through law

Now they want to be an ethnic group of settled people!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2239674716289515&set=p.2239674716289515&type=3&theater

“PROTEST MARCH FOR TRAVLERS OF IRELAND IN DUBLIN ON THE 2nd DECEMBER 2018

PADDY DOHERTY AND MYSELF ARE CURRENTLY ORGANISING A PROTEST MARCH AGAINST Mr PETER CASEY AND ALSO WE WANT TO GET IT THROUGH TO WHOEVER THAT IT MAY CONCERN THAT TRAVLERS WANT TO BE MADE AN ETHNIC GROUP OF SETTLED PEOPLE THROUGH LAW , WERE NO DIFFERENT THEN MUSLIMS , ASIANS OR BLACKS OR AFRO OR CARIBBEAN OR WHATEVER CREED OR CULTURE THERE IS OUT THERE AND PUBLIC OR AS WE SAY COUNTRY PEOPLE CAN’T BE ABUSIVE OR DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM SO WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE BE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST OUR TRAVLER COMMUNITY , ITS NO GOOD HAVING ONE LAW FOR ONE COMMUNITY AND NOTHING FOR ANOTHER AND WE WANT YOU TO LISTEN TO TRAVLERS AND MAKE OUR COMMUNITY A ETHNIC GROUP OF PEOPLE THROUGH LAW , AND IM NOT BEING RACIST WHAT IM GOING TO SAY NOW BUT IF WE OR ANYONE ELSE CALLED A MEMBER FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY A NAME OR CALLED SOMEONE A PAKI OR ANYTHING ELSE WE WOULD GET ARRESTED FOR THAT SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO TOLERATE BEING CALLED NAMES AND RACIST ABUSE AND CONSTANTLY BEING TURNT AWAY FROM PLACES JUST BECAUSE OF OUR CULTURE
THIS NEEDS TO STOP WERE HUMAN BEINGS JUST LIKE ALL THESE OTHER CREEDS AND CULTURES , SO WERE ASKING FOR AS MANY TRAVLERS AS POSSIBLE IN DUBLIN ON THE 2nd OF DECEMBER AND ITS TIME TO ACT NOW ITS TIME YOU ALL DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT”

malinheader

A friend of mine had his work van broken into and all of his tools stolen. Thousands of pounds worth. He went to the gardai who told him there was probably no chance of him getting them back. No problem with the guard's there hands are tied on this. Anyway on the way out a garda told him of a certain market on a Saturday morning where he might be fit to buy them back cheap. Who is shouting about my friends rights. Anyhow until this minority start to behave like decent honest citizens they should be entitled to sweet f.a.

Gimme A Pound

Graces7 wrote: »

but I have never written a dishonest post; terrible thing to accuse of.

I'm genuinely sorry that that upset you but you accused the poster of implying the children should be starved when you know they did no such thing. That's what I saw as dishonest - and a much worse thing to be accused of.

Paddy Cow

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

I suspect certain posters like to try to derail threads (for their own inexplicable ends). Part of that tactic is to provoke responses from their fellow posters that they can then report and get the said poster banned.

It’s especially noticeable when they don’t have a leg to stand on and are bereft of a counter-argument.

Sometimes it's as simple as righteous indignation gives people a sense of moral superiority.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Graces7 wrote: »

Yes I get all that but noone is making any suggestions that do not involve cutting existing benefits that would rebound on existing children?

Well, then, change the system for future children. After a couple has two children, the rate of compensation drops for each additional child and cuts off entirely after child #5. Make that rule effective January 1st 2020, and Travellers will have to think twice about their reproductive decisions.

And probably as this is a cultural heritage thing, you are aiming too high in wanting them to change? what you call "the cycle" is their way of life for generations.

Why should settled people have to adapt to changing times while Travellers are allowed to play the "cultural heritage" card and resist change? In many parts of the country, settled people have had to give up their traditional way of life, such as farming or fishing, when it was no longer economically sustainable. The exact same principles should apply to Travellers. If your traditional way of life can't support you anymore, sorry, but that's life -- you need to find a job elsewhere.

But is always reads as if you are trying to make Travellers into ordinary Irish people? They are different Foreigners in many ways and with different priorities?

Genetic tests show that Travellers are of Irish descent. They are not "foreigners" at all. And yes, I do think that Travellers should educate their children, not marry off their daughters at age 16, not marry their cousins, get jobs, pay taxes, obey the law, reproduce responsibly, stop feuding, and respect the property of others. If that means I want them to become "ordinary people," then so be it. The laws and norms of civilized society should apply to everyone in the country without exception. Nobody gets to live outside the law because "it's my culture."

Gravelly

Graces7 wrote: »

Sorry what do you mean by why? Because they are like a foreign nation in many ways. Would you eg ask French people to stop being French? To change eg food, language?

At present the attitudes expressed are exacerbating the situation. Travellers are never going to conform to ordinary Irish standards. It is not in their ... culture.. to do so. Not in their makeup. That was why the govt(?) statement was made about them being a different culture etc.

sorry; too weary and in pain to say more as some of you are jumping on me and I need all my wits to repsond. properly

But clesarly the current attitide is getting nowhere. They will never conform as you are seeking.

blessings and peace

You say travellers "are never going to conform to ordinary Irish standards" - people who don't conform to society's standards are forced to do so by law - that's what prevents anarchy. Travellers should not be outside the law.
The comparison with the French is strange - if French people were insisting that French law applied in Ireland, they would not be tolerated. Travellers should not be allowed to impose their so-called culture on the rest of society. If they want us to fund their lifestyles (and it seems the vast majority do), then they should be subject to the same rules as the rest of us.

Gimme A Pound

Why keep saying you're unwell?

And why keep faux apologising and saying you're unable to reply properly? You're replying in detail - including sticking in a load of unnecessary question marks and other redundant punctuation.

vonlars

Graces7 wrote: »

Yes I get all that but noone is making any suggestions that do not involve cutting existing benefits that would rebound on existing children?

And probably as this is a cultural heritage thing, you are aiming too high in wanting them to change? what you call "the cycle" is their way of life for generations.

Any changes would have to be subtle and not trying to make them conform to "our" way of life. It seems as if folk are expecting them to stop being Travellers? And current ideas are clearly not working.

Their culture has to be respected? Accepted? Deal within it? You will never get them to act as if they were not Travellers.

Sorry; not putting this very well; tired and unwell today. But is always reads as if you are trying to make Travellers into ordinary Irish people? They are different Foreigners in many ways and with different priorities?

Hope you can respond without calling me names as another poster has :eek:

This is what annoys me so much. There's no 'culture'. Traveller culture was when they would travel around Ireland, work on farms and tinker. The people supported them but they also supported the people. That culture is long, long gone. What exactly is it that you consider to be their culture? There was no welfare state in Ireland until the 1920s. How did they survive before that? That is what we should consider their culture, not the current sponging they have become accustom to.

Times change and our cultures have to change with that. My grandad made a living milking four cows and running a farm that consisted of about 5 acres. That's no longer sustainable because times have changed. Our professions and culture have to change with that.