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snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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marno21

snotboogie wrote: »

Surprise surprise no light rail:

https://twitter.com/eoinbearla/status/1067151508536344576?s=21

NDP 2018-2027 involves funding the appraisal, design and planning of the most viable corridor (which is presumably Ballincollig-City-South Docklands). If this is complete, it would have planning and be ready to go at relatively short notice when required.

IMO this is the best approach here because a defined light rail corridor would make zoning dense land along the route easier which would increase the viability of the light rail system going forward.

snotboogie

Surprise surprise no light rail:

https://twitter.com/eoinbearla/status/1067151508536344576?s=21

snotboogie

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews//property/planning-for-198-houses-in-glenveaghs-22m-cork-deal-888672.html

Site with planning for 198 houses and space for another few hundred of medium density sold in Douglas to Glenveagh. They also purchased the unfinished Eden in Blackrock which will take 140 units.

mire

calnand wrote: »

Just saw that the CUBS opened today and it mentions that UCC is on the lookout for another city centre location.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/uccs-bank-of-ideas-to-train-new-generation-of-executives-887959.html

My guess is that they'll occupy the brewery counting house development, they changed the planning for office/education use from the cinemas.[/quote

No. Too small. Another site being considered.

who_me

calnand wrote: »

Just saw that the CUBS opened today and it mentions that UCC is on the lookout for another city centre location.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/uccs-bank-of-ideas-to-train-new-generation-of-executives-887959.html

My guess is that they'll occupy the brewery counting house development, they changed the planning for office/education use from the cinemas.

Parnell Place really looks great now. Hopefully the hotel by the bus station gets the go-ahead too.

I thought the cinemas had already been dropped from the Beamish proposals (why not, everything else has!) but I could be wrong. The Counting House is a nicely appropriate name for a business school.

calnand

Just saw that the CUBS opened today and it mentions that UCC is on the lookout for another city centre location.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/uccs-bank-of-ideas-to-train-new-generation-of-executives-887959.html

My guess is that they'll occupy the brewery counting house development, they changed the planning for office/education use from the cinemas.

cgcsb

I seen a clip from RTE news from circa 1987 on facebook about the development of Dublin's Custom's House Quay, the area no known as the IFSC. The reporter stands in a grey wasteland of rubble summarising An Taisce's argument as to why this area should not be redeveloped. It's hard to imagine what Dublin would be like now if everything east of the customs house was a derelict wasteland as mandated by AT at the time. The arguments they present are the same as now:

-vistas of decaying ruins and evidence of past great civilisations
-high rise is bad
-it could be seen from some arbitrary location where there was a georgian house present

How has this organisation not been defunded.

cgcsb

namloc1980 wrote: »

But we'd have the vistas though.

I'm always curious about what these 'vistas' of derelict sites and crumbling buildings are supposed to offer exactly.

who_me

Yeah, great site: South-facing on the river, looking across to Fitzgerald Park / The Mardyke, walled in garden.

I'll start saving my coppers and will be able to afford it by the time I'm 1,231*.

* Inflation permitting

TheChizler

Always loved that house, it was sold there about 3 years back, I think I read it was being converted into two houses.

opus

Was out for an early morning jog today & spotted that work has kicked off at the red place that's been derelict for as long as I can remember at the bottom of Sundays Well Road. Hope they put in good flood barriers

D'Agger

CHealy wrote: »

I tell ya, we are lucky to have someone like Pat Ledwidge in our corner for the good of Cork. He completely rebuffed AT's objections in a 5 line paragraph, not the first time he's called them out either.

True, his point about the current state of the city remaining so is prominent. The comparison to the boy who cried wolf is correct in this instance - this is a difficult site, that has been unused for years, gets the opportunity to be developed and An Taisce object - whatever about them fulfilling their role, this is complete overkill on their part.

j8wk2feszrnpao

questionmark? wrote: »

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Prism-plan-is-defended-by-City-Halls-head-of-planning-e5f616d9-e33d-4430-9131-d674c0087f78-ds

The council have come out in defence of the Prism building. An Taisce are happy with the site remaining empty as they want nothing to change, how these cowboys get government funding is a mystery. If we listened to them nothing would ever get built, no progress and stuck in the past.

They shouldn't receive any funding whatsoever. They have a set agenda, and they are a joke at this stage. Even if they have a valid point, the constant objections is reminiscent of the boy that cry's wolf. Can't take them seriously.

CHealy

I tell ya, we are lucky to have someone like Pat Ledwidge in our corner for the good of Cork. He completely rebuffed AT's objections in a 5 line paragraph, not the first time he's called them out either.

namloc1980

questionmark? wrote: »

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Prism-plan-is-defended-by-City-Halls-head-of-planning-e5f616d9-e33d-4430-9131-d674c0087f78-ds

The council have come out in defence of the Prism building. An Taisce are happy with the site remaining empty as they want nothing to change, how these cowboys get government funding is a mystery. If we listened to them nothing would ever get built, no progress and stuck in the past.

But we'd have the vistas though.

questionmark?

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Prism-plan-is-defended-by-City-Halls-head-of-planning-e5f616d9-e33d-4430-9131-d674c0087f78-ds

The council have come out in defence of the Prism building. An Taisce are happy with the site remaining empty as they want nothing to change, how these cowboys get government funding is a mystery. If we listened to them nothing would ever get built, no progress and stuck in the past.

questionmark?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/multi-million-euro-deals-for-cork-garages-887026.html

The boom is back!!!

Markcheese

I reckon that tram or Brt'll be up and running long before bam put up the event centre on the beamish site.. (just like the O'Callaghan properties commitment to building an event centre timed out years ago),
. . . I hope the quay walls reference (I assume to the opw flood plan) gets quietly ditched in favour of something cheaper and more effective, (not that I'd give out about restoring the quay walls)..

And probably the quickest way to get more people living in the city centre , and keep the character of the centre would be to stop allowing the upstairs of commercial units and shops becoming derelict, how many 3 and 4 storey buildings in Cork have had the stairs removed to avoid rates?
None of it would be fancy big development plans but probably worth while..

namloc1980

marno21 wrote: »

Very ambitious look at 2030 in Cork from Cork Chamber President Bill O'Connell

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/irelands-most-competitive-and-vibrant-city-cork-chamber-outlines-vision-for-the-future-886829.html

Would be fantastic.

Most of that won't happen.

marno21

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

A lot of pie in the sky stuff there especially mention of the events centre being up and running. In 2030 there will most likely still be toing and froing about it being built.

Well if we can't get the event centre up and running I fear for the Luas.

snotboogie

marno21 wrote: »

Very ambitious look at 2030 in Cork from Cork Chamber President Bill O'Connell

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/irelands-most-competitive-and-vibrant-city-cork-chamber-outlines-vision-for-the-future-886829.html

Would be fantastic.

Billa works for Apple, surprising (or telling) there was no mention of the North Ring in front of Leo. Meanwhile:
https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Construction-to-proceed-on-new-homes-on-the-Sunbeam-site-bfcd1961-3a10-407d-9c5a-967017a8b2e3-ds

Cork Boy 53

marno21 wrote: »

Very ambitious look at 2030 in Cork from Cork Chamber President Bill O'Connell

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/irelands-most-competitive-and-vibrant-city-cork-chamber-outlines-vision-for-the-future-886829.html

Would be fantastic.

A lot of pie in the sky stuff there especially mention of the events centre being up and running. In 2030 there will most likely still be toing and froing about it being built.

marno21

Very ambitious look at 2030 in Cork from Cork Chamber President Bill O'Connell

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/irelands-most-competitive-and-vibrant-city-cork-chamber-outlines-vision-for-the-future-886829.html

Would be fantastic.

lisasimpson

Augeo wrote: »

As a pub the sextant is a goldmine.

Plus as a pub it has a character that most of the samey same pubs in the city lack

who_me

Meursault wrote: »

That's the other thing, and its only going to get better for them, the Idle Hour, and Goldbergs, with all the dockland construction.

Its a strange one.

Yeah, was just walking past that area yesterday and thinking how the docklands developments will be well stocked with office space (and hopefully apartments) but there's likely to be an initial lack of shops/restaurants/pubs etc. in that area of the city.

Within about 100m of The Sextant you have several new-ish developments/in progress / planned: The Elysian, One Albert Quay, Navigation Square, The Prism, (the Custom House tower?), the 10-storey building behind Navigation Square, the proposed building on the AR Brownlow site behind The Elysian etc.. Make it 200m and you have a lot more.

Meursault

Augeo wrote: »

As a pub the sextant is a goldmine.

That's the other thing, and its only going to get better for them, the Idle Hour, and Goldbergs, with all the dockland construction.

Its a strange one.

[Deleted User]

As a pub the sextant is a goldmine.

MrDerp

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Would be a shame to see the Sextant knocked given how much additional brownfield is available.

Will be interesting to see if anyone is proposing demolition for the Goldberg’s side with various terraced buildings.

I was very surprised it's not protected to be honest. There's a weird preamble on the city council's protected structure page which talks about "additional structures recommended by the minister for protection"

So it appears as a building of architectural significant/interest nationally, but the council has a final say on what to protect? Seems rife for abuse.

That said, I'm not sure how the building could be incorporated standalone. If it were part of a larger terrace then a setup like Lavitt's quay might have worked, with at least a fit out for the sextant footprint to be turned into a smarter bar/restaurant or something.

MrDerp

who_me wrote: »

Good news: Much needed homes are going to be developed!

Bad news: Horrible, copy-pasta bland blocks, surrounding (what's left of) a beautiful, interesting building.

Looks like the main building will keep it's prominence on the hill side though, assuming the downhill blocks in the render are sufficiently low-rise (and they appear to be) to avoid obscuring the view of the convent from the west of the city.

who_me

opus wrote: »

Spotted in the Echo that the development at the Good Shepherd site looks like it going ahead, badly needed in my opinion.

Residents can't risk €100k judicial review costs to fight housing project at Good Shepherd Convent site

Good news: Much needed homes are going to be developed!

Bad news: Horrible, copy-pasta bland blocks, surrounding (what's left of) a beautiful, interesting building.