Carrickbeg wrote: » The following issues have arisen with my build and I would like the boards members opinion it. Having employed the only "architect" in my town the following are some of the issues that arose over the build. 1. He told us after getting planning permission and just before the build that he was not an architect but a draftsman and we needed to hire a third party to get our mortgage through. 2. My wife requested high 9foot ceilings in brief and our ceiling heights are 8foot 6inches. 3. The dining room/space in our open plan area hasn't enough room for a dining table and it now has to go to our sun lounge. 4. We now haven't a second living area as our sunroom is now a dining area. 5. Having learned of the benefits of concrete first floors through some of our friends who have started building after us we put it to him as to why we had a timber joists first floor and not a concrete one he said it was clients choice and that if we wanted one we should have asked for one. So, how much knowledge is a client expected to have regarding dimensions, construction options etc or is it simply a case of my bad I should have done more homework on who I was hiring and how my home was going to be built?
Effects wrote: » Have you asked the draftsman why the ceilings are not the correct height that was specified? How big is your dining table, and your dining room? If it was me, I'd have a good enough idea of my dining table and would realise from the drawings that the area wasn't big enough. I'd imagine timber joists are cheaper than hollow core concrete, so that's probably why he went with that. I think you need to put a lot of work and research into it yourself. But then I had friends who asked my why I was bothering to figure stuff out myself, "that's what you're paying your architect for". At the end of the day you're paying for it and you have to live in it.
Carrickbeg wrote: » 2700 ceiling height indicated in drawings which is 8 foot 10inches it turns out. Minus counter battens and slabs which was listed in the builders tender spec but not shown in drawings. Result 8 foot 6 ceilings. Dimensions on site match drawings we were always concerned that this space was tight but he reassured us the was loads of room. When house was built it was clear we were right. Too late now tho.
Carrickbeg wrote: » Agree now about the research part but I thought the professional would know more than someone not involved in the business.
Aravo wrote: » 1. The client employed this person. They informed the client of their quals. 2. What height is shown on the planning drawings and construction drawings and associated schedule which describes the work to be undertaken. 3. Client issue 4. Client issue 5. Client issue. Client never advised that they wanted concrete hollow core, therefore not in builders drawings and not priced for. The building game is not easy, and that goes for all parties. Especially in self builds, when one is overseeing likely to be their biggest spend ever.
Carrickbeg wrote: 2700 ceiling height shown in drawings
Mellor wrote: » The thread is kinda hard to folllow. You contracted a guy for planning. He got you planning. He infirned younthat you'd need to contract somebody else to sign off. He's done his job. You didn't asked for concrete floors, so didn't get them. Thats on you. You asked for 2700 ceilings. He drew 2700 ceilings. What's the issue? If the builder built something else, that's the builders mistake tbh. Assuming there was adequate allowance. Issue with the layout and such are largely "you get what you pay for". You went to a draftsman not an architect. You are building off planning drawings by the sounds of things.
coolbeans wrote: » Just curious, did you think you were getting an architect or a cad monkey? Nothing wrong with the latter but in the UK at least it's illegal to sell oneself as an architect if you're not. My firm does planning and design expertise but I don't have an architectural qualification only a planning one therefore I sell myself as a professional planner who does architectural drawings. People use the term architect when in reality they wouldn't be prepared to pay the fees to employ one.
Carrickbeg wrote: » Let me try clear it up. Hired a guy who is known as an architect. His drawings say xx Architectual Design. I hired him for entire job i.e. planning and build. Once we got planning he told us he wasnt a registered architect. He actually still never told me he was a draftsman i heard that from others.
Carrickbeg wrote: » I felt a loyalty towards him as he got us the planning and kept him on board for build.
Seth Brundle wrote: » Did he ever claim to be an architect or anything other than a draftsman? So you chose to stick with him?
Stanford wrote: » An architectural Technician is not an Architect and is not qualified to sign off on as-built construction.
Carrickbeg wrote: » Let me try clear it up. Hired a guy who is known as an architect. His drawings say xx Architectual Design. I hired him for entire job i.e. planning and build.
Ceiling heights. Our brief was high ceilings. 9ft or 10ft. His drawings shows 2700mm which is 12 blocks and 8ft 10inches. His drawings did not show counter batten or insulated slab but did spec it in specifications. But didnt show it in construction drawings. At the time i didnt know what counter battens were.
Carrickbeg wrote: » I think the real message here is as a client you really need to understand every part of the process. For example, i have never asked my doctor is he an actual doctor or likewise my dentist. So i just presumed my architect was an architect. I didnt know about so many different types of professions that can offer a drawings service. My bad. Igornace of the law is no excuse.
Carrickbeg wrote: » I think the real message here is as a client you really need to understand every part of the process.
My bad. Igornace of the law is no excuse.
Carrickbeg wrote: » Easy read something...the challenge is to understand it...
