kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
theguzman wrote: » We are a Vassal state, occupied by the Franco/German EU empire, Varadkar and co. are our quisling Government implementing law from Brussels, we have no say in EU matters and makeup 0.89% of the EU population. We are in the exact same position today as 100 years ago but instead of British Rule we are under EU rule, an EU Army is looming large to occupy countries should any other country try a Brexit style stunt. Germany is currently striving to attain a Nuclear bomb and with an EU Army they will achieve this by controlling the French stockpile. The EU promote migration and social engineering to ensure the population remains docile and obedient and not one shot has to be fired. We have come a far way from a trading agreement. The EU has imperial ambitions and this is becoming clearer every day.
cryptocurrency wrote: » This is true and the threats of food/medicine supplies and air traffic are nothing short of hostile acts and not something a so called friend would do to a neighbour. The UK government has a duty and responsibility to act towards all hostile acts to the country and protect its citizens. Blocking supplies is a North Korean level trick. As for Germany getting Nukes and an army, this should be discussed at length in both London and Washington and serious action taken to put them back in their box. This is not good for global security. Germany have a long recent history of abhorrent behavior on the international stage. I’m sure the posters here championing the EU are the same ones who laughed about an EU army (and a few now support it after TV telling them it’s good) and are still laughing about tax harmonization....it’s all happening folks, get used to it. Personally I think the EU was fine twenty years back and unless it reverts back to that sharpish then it needs to be pulled apart.
mark206000 wrote: » All over twitter : "Dominic Raab was told by British diplomats that Martin Selmayr had boasted that losing Northern Ireland would be the "price" Britain has to pay for Brexit." Martin Selmayr is having a big say in our country. Someone unelected by us and put into position by more than dubious circumstances by Junker.
ilovesmybrick wrote: » Second, we have exactly the same level of say in the EU as Germany, France, the UK etc.
cryptocurrency wrote: » theguzman wrote: » We are a Vassal state, occupied by the Franco/German EU empire, Varadkar and co. are our quisling Government implementing law from Brussels, we have no say in EU matters and makeup 0.89% of the EU population. We are in the exact same position today as 100 years ago but instead of British Rule we are under EU rule, an EU Army is looming large to occupy countries should any other country try a Brexit style stunt. Germany is currently striving to attain a Nuclear bomb and with an EU Army they will achieve this by controlling the French stockpile. The EU promote migration and social engineering to ensure the population remains docile and obedient and not one shot has to be fired. We have come a far way from a trading agreement. The EU has imperial ambitions and this is becoming clearer every day. This is true and the threats of food/medicine supplies and air traffic are nothing short of hostile acts and not something a so called friend would do to a neighbour. The UK government has a duty and responsibility to act towards all hostile acts to the country and protect its citizens. Blocking supplies is a North Korean level trick. As for Germany getting Nukes and an army, this should be discussed at length in both London and Washington and serious action taken to put them back in their box. This is not good for global security. Germany have a long recent history of abhorrent behavior on the international stage. I’m sure the posters here championing the EU are the same ones who laughed about an EU army (and a few now support it after TV telling them it’s good) and are still laughing about tax harmonization....it’s all happening folks, get used to it. Personally I think the EU was fine twenty years back and unless it reverts back to that sharpish then it needs to be pulled apart.
theguzman wrote: Germany is currently striving to attain a Nuclear bomb...
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » Are negotiatins still ongoing or is it a weekend break? Been quite since Friday.
Rhineshark wrote: » What a complete load of cobblers. Is this the serious politics forum or the conspiracy forum?
RandomName2 wrote: » ilovesmybrick wrote: » Second, we have exactly the same level of say in the EU as Germany, France, the UK etc. Sure. :rolleyes: In reality that's only in the consilium, and the power that each respective government has in that is largely dependent upon the country they represent. In both the commission, and parliament, we have very little influence. That's not to say we are underrepresented. Statistically, going by population, we are over represented, but to say we have the same effective level of say as Germany and France is nonsense.
An Ciarraioch wrote: » As the backstop showed, if a country has a national issue that it wants addressed, then it has two separate, but linked, avenues it can go down. Firstly, it can shore up support within its Eurogroup, which fortunately for FG was the EPP, and secondly it can hold bilateral meetings with the remaining national governments - virtually every foreign minister met Coveney in Dublin during the negotiations.
Strazdas wrote: » They're at an end : there is nothing to be negotiated in terms of the Withdrawal Agreement.
Strazdas wrote: » Rhineshark wrote: » It was terrible as used in this context. Wrong approach, horrible set up (four countries*, three of which together aren't as large as the fourth) on a 50+1 question, wrong questions - oh and sneakily changing the rules on the electorate.There is a place for them, particularly in small, relatively homogenous - preferably with a decent level of education - states - such as Ireland or Switzerland. But there's good reason almost all large groups (I.e. nations) move away from direct democracy (not all to do with corrupt power-takers either, not that that isn't also a reason!). That's a very good point. They probably work well in small, close knit countries like Ireland, Switzerland and Denmark but are not a good idea for a country the size of the UK and which actually contains four different countries. What we have discovered in the last two and a half years is that a referendum has the capacity to be deeply divisive in a country like Britain and to make the political situation considerably worse, not better.
Rhineshark wrote: » It was terrible as used in this context. Wrong approach, horrible set up (four countries*, three of which together aren't as large as the fourth) on a 50+1 question, wrong questions - oh and sneakily changing the rules on the electorate.There is a place for them, particularly in small, relatively homogenous - preferably with a decent level of education - states - such as Ireland or Switzerland. But there's good reason almost all large groups (I.e. nations) move away from direct democracy (not all to do with corrupt power-takers either, not that that isn't also a reason!).
cryptocurrency wrote: » Because they will be subject to EU laws, rules and rulings without helping form them.
cryptocurrency wrote: » he would be accepting a deal that they are not allowed to leave on their own.
cryptocurrency wrote: » They would not have met the promises in the elections of leaving the SM,CU and ECJ and this talk of an EU army and tax harmonization is against the national security interests of the UK.
The last 24hrs has been interesting and the next 48 more so. The wagons are circling on May. My worry now is Leo has doubled down to please his masters in Brussels and has now put Ireland in a bad position if his plan fails. Bertie or Enda would never have been as foolish admit this man
RobMc59 wrote: » An Ciarraioch wrote: » As the backstop showed, if a country has a national issue that it wants addressed, then it has two separate, but linked, avenues it can go down. Firstly, it can shore up support within its Eurogroup, which fortunately for FG was the EPP, and secondly it can hold bilateral meetings with the remaining national governments - virtually every foreign minister met Coveney in Dublin during the negotiations. Are you sure it`s the UK that is self delusional about it`s standing and influence in the world?
theguzman wrote: » We are a Vassal state, occupied by the Franco/German EU empire, Varadkar and co. are our quisling Government implementing law from Brussels, we have no say in EU matters and makeup 0.89% of the EU population. We are in the exact same position today as 100 years ago but instead of British Rule we are under EU rule,
theguzman wrote: » an EU Army is looming large to occupy countries should any other country try a Brexit style stunt. Germany is currently striving to attain a Nuclear bomb and with an EU Army they will achieve this by controlling the French stockpile. The EU promote migration and social engineering to ensure the population remains docile and obedient and not one shot has to be fired. We have come a far way from a trading agreement. The EU has imperial ambitions and this is becoming clearer every day.
