kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
EdgeCase wrote: » I'm a bit surprised at this scaremongering article in the Guardian:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/16/ireland-to-remain-open-door-to-uk-for-eu-citizens-post-brexit Considering that we always operated a totally independent visa and work permit regime for non-EU nationals and somehow that hasn't caused any major issues, I can't see how anything is likely to change. Not only that but if you were to start working in the UK as an EU national, you would be picked up rather quickly by the system. Also the article seems to imply there's only one point of entry / exit from the republic: Dublin. Ireland also has passport checks on entry from everywhere except the UK as it's not on Schengen.
Patser wrote: » Because: It suits the ERG and hardcore brexiters to cause as much chaos as possible, so as to delay any agreement in the hope of a crash out no deal So you can guarantee an opponent of some sort will be put up against may to cause more delays, and also so that you now have Teresa May distracted in fighting to keep her position as PM, while also trying to fight for the agreement.
barry181091 wrote: » I'm confused. All of the commentary that I see says there will be a no confidence motion but that she is going to win this. Thus, why is the no confidence so bad if its really a forgone conclusion that she will succeed in it?
seamus wrote: » "the threshold of 48 letters of no confidence in Theresa May will be passed today." Why not already? Why not first thing yesterday morning? Why not 3 weeks ago? The fact that there weren't 48 letters already packaged in a neat bundle and ready to hand over at short notice really says to me that there isn't nearly as much enthusiasm behind this heave as the Brexiteers want people to believe.
EdgeCase wrote: » I can't see the UK not offering a reciprocal visa waiver to the EU where you'll be able to enter for 90 days anyway. If they don't it's going to be absolutely chaotic for UK holidaymakers having to apply for a visa to go to Malaga.
Enzokk wrote: » But its not wrong that EU citizens will be able to travel to the UK after Brexit and enter without seeing a stamp or glance at their passport by immigration officials. Finding work is another matter though, but there is an open backdoor to the UK from Ireland. We have known this from the start.
daheff wrote: I was watching one of the BBC programs last night and they had an Austrian minister on the show. She said that there won't be more negotiations on the EU side because of upcoming elections in Europe. Methinks UK are now stuck between a rock and a hard place and swallowing their pride. Deal or no deal or rerun the referendum.
prawnsambo wrote: » but you'd have to think people in Europe are exasperated and fatigued with the whole sorry mess at this stage. The possibility of having to enter new negotiations sometime early next year would be slim to none.
Inquitus wrote: » Tuesday apparentlyhttps://twitter.com/christopherhope/status...
ilovesmybrick wrote: » What a spineless git. I think his perspective is fundamentally wrong, but if its such a fundamental political belief at least stand by it.
Water John wrote: » Charlie Haughey survived by 1 vote. I think in the UK if it is a significant number you're generally gone, about one third I'd say.
Inquitus wrote: » Will the no confidence vote be today? Given MP's have been recalled from their constituencies? or will it be next week?
Anthracite wrote: » Well it's not irrelevant if the UK still had colonies into the 1960s unless you are suggesting that being the number one producer of pig iron determines whether you are an empire or not.
Professor Moriarty wrote: Apparently Gove is staying. Not sure that will be of much comfort to May at this stage.
the Guardian wrote: Ireland will remain an open door to the UK for EU citizens after Brexit with no mandatory passport checks on those who travel to Britain via Dublin and Belfast, it has been confirmed.
seamus wrote: » Though the process is that new potential leaders will not be selected until after the confidence vote. The likes of JRM can mumble about leadership until she's voted out, and then true to form walk away and say, "Nothing to do with me". I have a feeling though that support for May - or at least support for the softest of soft Brexits, if not a new referendum - is much higher in the Tories than it appears. Thus far, all of the noise has been coming from the same 4/5 lunatics; 48 letters represents just 15% of the party's power. And it has taken more than 24 hours to get them. The electorate have lost their appetite for this farce, and politicians only care about what they need to do to keep their seat. So IMO, there's the same potential for massive embarrassment for Johnson and Moggs here as there is for May. If she was to secure 60% in a confidence vote, then they end up looking like nothing more than out-of-touch, loudmouth malcontents.
mrbrianj wrote: » Can anybody confirm, Tory party rules are that a vote of no confidence in their own leader cant be followed by another (Tory) no confidence vote for 1 year?
prawnsambo wrote: » Rees-Mogg is not driven by any romantic nonsense. There's very little doubt that he's driven by greed. Let's not forget that coincident with the notion of leaving the EU was the EU's decision to implement a tax avoidance directive. Which directive will come into force next year or at the latest, the following year. Right in the middle of the transition period. So JRM and his ilk have been pushing a no-deal brexit as hard as they can because that's the only scenario where the UK can avoid the avoidance directive.
