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Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

Rhineshark

kuro68k wrote: »

The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.

1. The EU
2. Remainers
3. Ireland
4. Corbyn

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Strazdas

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

May now doggedly holding onto power in defense of this EU favoured deal is quite a good outcome!

Ivan Yates says he reckons she's playing a clever game : hunker down and dare anyone to topple her.....could be that they falter before she does

joe40

I do kind of feel sorry for May and do admire her tenacity at this stage.
At the same it is hard to forget the Lancaster gate speech, the "no deal" is better than a bad deal nonsense. It was obvious bluff to the EU and to anyone with any idea of reality. But certain sections of the electorate lapped it up.
A bit more honesty earlier might be a help now

Spanish Eyes

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

What you have to remember here is that the UK media operates in a way that Stalin could only dream of in that it appears free while trying to drip it's noxious agenda into the minds of every consumer.

I know, but it's a tribal thing there I believe. Guardian v Telegraph and so on.

I honestly think voters in UK don't have much knowledge or interest in politics because of the FPTP system. It's either Red or Blue, and no fantastic counts into the wee hours for the last seat. Then again there is only one seat per constituency there too.

There are pluses and minuses. The multi seat constituency SVT system here leads to a lot of potholes being fixed, as they are all trying to either win your vote or keep it.

Not much incentive to read up and get involved in FPTP areas if safe seats abound and your potholes will remain unfilled!

charlie14

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Theresa May pretty clear there I think there is no chance of the backstop being reopened - that that would collapse negotiations.

Not only that but she as good as admitted the UK have spent since last December fannying about on a backstop wasting their time that the knew had to be in the agreement or there was going to be no deal.
Mind you after what she said on the backstop she doesn`t need to worry about the DUP burning the bridge anymore.

She burned it for them and bulldozed the ashes into the ravine.

Kermit.de.frog

There is another danger here for the DUP if they keep trying to force this issue.

There won't be any agreement without the backstop - Theresa May has restated that.

It would be far easier for these Tory pantomime toffs to accept full separation for GB from EU rules and leaving NI completely on it's own in the customs union and single market.

In other words it could get even worse for northern unionists...

LuckyLloyd

May now doggedly holding onto power in defense of this EU favoured deal is quite a good outcome!

ancapailldorcha

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

We are far more politically savvy here I think, not so much over there though.

What you have to remember here is that the UK media operates in a way that Stalin could only dream of in that it appears free while trying to drip it's noxious agenda into the minds of every consumer.

listermint

EdgeCase wrote: »

One of those hard slogging-fighters who picks an unbeatable opponent and keeps plugging away until they are eventually destroyed.

I mean she may as well have picked a fight with a brick wall for all the good she's done.

She built half the wall...

That is the core problem. Even helped put in the foundation course. And deserves praise for that ?

Awesomeness

Mourdant and Gove in number 10 at the minute. More resignations or new appointments?

charlie14

judeboy101 wrote: »

Technically not equal to actually being. Both were Anglican for entire duration of their tenure

Still faik there is no legal impediment to a Catholic becoming PM.

Mind you as we are talking JRM here it is irrelevant.

As they say in Texas he is all hat and no cattle.

SimonTemplar

hill16bhoy wrote: »

The Guardian's current estimate is 405-224 against.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/nov/15/can-you-get-mays-brexit-deal-through-parliament

Wow, I didn't realise there was such a gulf. I thought it would be much closer.

Her premiership can't survive that deal being defeated.

TheValeyard

hill16bhoy wrote: »

The Guardian's current estimate is 405-224 against.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/nov/15/can-you-get-mays-brexit-deal-through-parliament

Wow. That would be some trashing. :eek:

TheValeyard

I think she will be dragged kicking and screaming from Number 10

Rjd2

She is not a good politician, but I kind of am slightly warming towards her mainly due to the obnoxious power hungry clowns on the other side who have offered nothing feasible bar flying ponies for everyone.

I'd have liked it if she had called them out and said put up or shut up but hopefully she does that soon, so ****ing bored of this posturing from them.

hill16bhoy

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Is the Commons vote a complete uncertainty at the moment or do we have a good indication which way it will do?

The Guardian's current estimate is 405-224 against.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/nov/15/can-you-get-mays-brexit-deal-through-parliament

EdgeCase

RobertKK wrote: »

Love her or hate her, Theresa May is a heavyweight fighter.

The question is how many punches can she take before she is knocked out.

One of those hard slogging-fighters who picks an unbeatable opponent and keeps plugging away until they are eventually destroyed.

I mean she may as well have picked a fight with a brick wall for all the good she's done.

SimonTemplar

Is the Commons vote a complete uncertainty at the moment or do we have a good indication which way it will do?

hill16bhoy

Tell me how wrote: »

If the point in bold happens, she'll resign or call for a GE while also announcing that she is not running for re-election.

She might, and any normal reading of this would say she would have to.

But then again, she might not.

Harry Palmr

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Cricket analogies ? How very British. Although cricket analogies haven't always signaled good things for sitting prime ministers, given that Margaret thatcher's chancellor of the exchequer who's name escapes me used the one about broken bats.

Geoffrey Howe

RobertKK

Love her or hate her, Theresa May is a heavyweight fighter.

The question is how many punches can she take before she is knocked out.

Itssoeasy

Cricket analogies ? How very British. Although cricket analogies haven't always signaled good things for sitting prime ministers, given that Margaret thatcher's chancellor of the exchequer who's name escapes me used the one about broken bats.

Spanish Eyes

You really have to hand it to the woman, she is showing great resilience. Anyone else would have fecked off to the hills by now and let the nutters at it.

I think the media is softening their stance a bit, they know now (after three years) how bad a no deal Brexit would be.

I think she is trying to explain in baby terms to the electorate who voted for Brexit, that this is how it is.

We are far more politically savvy here I think, not so much over there though.

Zubeneschamali

Amirani wrote: »

I think that's probably the best thing for her to do now. She lives or dies on whatever happens with these Brexit negotiations, so no points having a firewall anymore.

The negotiations with the EU are over. Done.

Finito.

Tell me how

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Scenario.

The ERG challenge May's leadership and May wins.

May then can't be challenged for another year.

May then loses the Commons vote on the deal.

She refuses to resign and can't be challenged.

What then?

If the point in bold happens, she'll resign or call for a GE while also announcing that she is not running for re-election.

hill16bhoy

Scenario.

The ERG challenge May's leadership and May wins.

May then can't be challenged for another year.

May then loses the Commons vote on the deal.

She refuses to resign and can't be challenged.

What then?

Tell me how

Amirani wrote: »

I think she has been pretty strong in this press conference, but I don't think it's going to be enough to make this work. Commons seems to have its mind made up already.

I think (given EVERYTHING) she can hold her head up.

Could anyone have delivered on this? At least she tried to grasp the nettle.
Easy for JRM to berate her when all on his side ran for the hills.

Calina

The press corps seem to be fighting stunned silence.

Itssoeasy

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

This is like that scene in Mike Bassett where all the reporters are just repeatedly slagging him off.

If this is the scene with the reporters then what moment was her picking benson and hedges ?

Capt'n Midnight

Deleted User wrote: »

The EU summit is on 25th November. No?

AFAIK the EU have asked for clarity by Wednesday.

Awesomeness

So unless there is a change in leader we go through with the EU summit, come back to parliament, deal gets voted down and off we go on another mad day