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Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

Rhineshark

kuro68k wrote: »

The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.

1. The EU
2. Remainers
3. Ireland
4. Corbyn

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Leroy42

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Stark reminder of the inordinate power the Brexiteers wield.

Well, tbf, the people did vote to leave so the MP's are right to realign themselves to that reality.

Professor Moriarty

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

A bit old. From the BBC:

Stark reminder of the inordinate power the Brexiteers wield.

Professor Moriarty

Inquitus wrote: »

Gove wants to renegotiate, or resign, sigh!

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1063086384339148800

Typical Tory Brexiteer cowardice. "It's not my fault. I wanted to support you but you forced me to resign.". Gutless and selfish political manoeuvring. They don't have a single principle between them.

Zubeneschamali

seamus wrote: »

Unless those in opposition can cite very specific things that they dislike in the deal and what they would like to change, then the EU will have to refuse to waste any more time on it.

I thnk we are way, way beyond that point. The EU have negotiated a deal in good faith with the Government of the UK. The people wanting to renegotiate the deal in the UKs favour: the answer is no. Take it or leave without a deal in March

ancapailldorcha

Water John wrote: »

AFAIK a significant majority in the HoC don't want to leave the EU.

A bit old. From the BBC:

Water John

AFAIK a significant majority in the HoC don't want to leave the EU. Parliament thus if this Deal is voted down has to find a mechanism of forcing a 2nd Ref.
They could in effect send This Deal to the people, This Deal v Remain. Crash out Brexit belongs to a lunatic fringe and in reality a small number of MPs support it.

Larbre34

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

If parliament rejects the deal, I hope Europe sticks the knife in. Tariffs & Visa's would make for an interesting few years

That wont be the next step. There are enough Commons votes to reject the deal, sure, but some are because its too much, the balance because its not enough. That also means there are plenty more than 330 odd votes needed to force a second referendum. Whether it becomes a 3-way question with a run-off, (deal, no deal, no Brexit) or a simple in-out is the big question.

c.p.w.g.w

Leroy42 wrote: »

The EU is not interested in 'sticking the knife in'. tariffs and visas are just the outcome of a no deal. The UK will be treated the same as Mongolia.

Well if Europe did so, let's the British economy struggle for a bit. They may want the deal that's on the table now.

Either way, a no deal is terrible for the border, hopefully we don't get a return of the troubles

Hurrache

And they say the Germans don't have a sense of humour.
https://twitter.com/heuteshow/status/1063073158868152321

On a more serious note, another conservative no confidence letter in May, Sheryll Murray. Not quite sure who she is, but she sits in Cornwall and her issue was over fishing.

fash

Inquitus wrote: »

Gove wants to renegotiate, or resign, sigh!

For sh*ts and giggles, May should allow him to.

The EU should then ask him "so what are you going to do to improve your offer (by the way clock is ticking)".

It does mean no deal of course, but isn't that now unavoidable?

Leroy42

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

If parliament rejects the deal, I hope Europe sticks the knife in. Tariffs & Visa's would make for an interesting few years

The EU is not interested in 'sticking the knife in'. tariffs and visas are just the outcome of a no deal. The UK will be treated the same as Mongolia.

c.p.w.g.w

If parliament rejects the deal, I hope Europe sticks the knife in. Tariffs & Visa's would make for an interesting few years

seamus

oscarBravo wrote: »

Surely there's quite simply no time to renegotiate, even assuming the EU wanted to? I mean, we're right up against it as it is.

Right. It's one thing for some tweaking around the edges, bits that don't work here and there.

But the railing against it is absolute. Without any real substance or specific criticism, just straight out refusal without compromise. Ian Paisley Sr. would be proud.

It's clear that all of the noisemakers in the UK had no intention of accepting any deal of any kind, and this has all been a massive waste of everyone's time.

The EU has no option now but a hardline. There is an actual deal on the table. Refusing it on the basis that "this is not good enough", is not good enough. Unless those in opposition can cite very specific things that they dislike in the deal and what they would like to change, then the EU will have to refuse to waste any more time on it.

Leroy42

Is this deal quite like the deal envisaged by chequers?

Hurrache

May to make another statement at 5pm. {picturing her at the podium saying well f you all, you guys sort it out, mic drop, and strolls into the nearest bar]

Probably a lot more mundane like a new cabinet announcement.

edit: The agency who tweeted it has since deleted it, it was the New European that posted it a few minutes ago before quickly removing it.

4068ac1elhodqr

One of the most popular novelty bets today, would seem to be for May be relieved before the year is out.

And the shortest odds for the Next PM is Jeremy.

However both of these events would only prolong the agaony.
Reckon she'll just about hold off until the end of March 19.

LeinsterDub

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

My guess is the EU won't renegotiate at this stage. No Deal.

I took 2 years to reach this fudge, nothing could be renegotiate in 6 weeks.

Muscles Schultz

It will ultimately be Norway for now. Technically it means the UK has left the EU and most issues will be dealt with.

oscarBravo

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

My guess is the EU won't renegotiate at this stage. No Deal.

Surely there's quite simply no time to renegotiate, even assuming the EU wanted to? I mean, we're right up against it as it is.

MrMusician18

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

My guess is the EU won't renegotiate at this stage. No Deal.

Correct, and It's an excuse to blame the EU for no deal.

A trap in other words.

LuckyLloyd

My guess is the EU won't renegotiate at this stage. No Deal.

Inquitus

Gove wants to renegotiate, or resign, sigh!

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1063086384339148800

thebeerbaron

Mc Love wrote: »

25th November funnily enough

Plenty of time for them to shaft May for sure.

I don't see enough time for a GE by the 25th. Most likely the government will collapse and the vote postponed I think.

Mc Love

thebeerbaron wrote: »

When does British parliament vote of the negotiated deal, is there a date set?
Just wondering if the Tories will shaft May before that vote which will most likely cause a general election.
So I wonder will the GE happen before the current parliament votes on the deal or will the GE be a referendum on the deal?
Either way May is finished by the looks of it.

25th November funnily enough

thebeerbaron

When does British parliament vote of the negotiated deal, is there a date set?
Just wondering if the Tories will shaft May before that vote which will most likely cause a general election.
So I wonder will the GE happen before the current parliament votes on the deal or will the GE be a referendum on the deal?
Either way May is finished by the looks of it.

breatheme

JRM on the BBC: "We trade with the whole world in WTO terms, I don't understand why they're not sufficient."

And here I am, wanting to yell at my phone: NO YOU DON'T. YOU TRADE WITH MOST OF THE WORLD UNDER BILATERAL AGREEMENTS AND FTAS THAT THE EU HAS NEGOTIATED.

*sigh* That man can sure make my blood boil.

And it's there, in the BBC! No one challenges him!

Tinder Surprise

Tory vice chairman Rehman Chishti just resigned

breatheme

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

I've had a free lunch bet on with a colleague that there'll be a second vote and they'll remain. Things are looking up!
Also, while I'm feeling plucky, Trump will get re-elected.

If I could make a deal with the Devil, I would tell him I'll take Brexit being completely reversed and he can get Trump reelected. No question.

RebelButtMunch

I've had a free lunch bet on with a colleague that there'll be a second vote and they'll remain. Things are looking up!
Also, while I'm feeling plucky, Trump will get re-elected.

Spook_ie

one armed dwarf wrote: »

Is it not the case that markets have priced in the worst case scenario (no deal) and short term volatility is just on the spot reaction to the bad news?

I won't claim I'm informed on any of this but I've got all my savings in GBP from working in London the past few years and am always anxious to know when/if I should change it to Euro.

Short answers, when you need it or when you've had enough worrying.