kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
For Forks Sake wrote: » She's a blithering idiot, thankfully she only rears her head very five years or so with some nonsensical viewpoint or other.
charlie14 wrote: » This deal only leaves NI in both the CU and the SM. GB would only be in the CU. Not really mentioned so far but in reality there would be a border in the Irish Sea. NI will still be territorially British so like any other country the can set whatever tax rates they like faik.
blanch152 wrote: » That is always the way. If there was a hard Brexit and it came down for us to staying in the EU or keeping solidarity with NI nationalists and leave the EU, we would shaft the NI nationalists and put in a hard border. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive.
gunny123 wrote: Maybe, but i was happy with the old eec, i do not want to live in the "united states of europe", thanks. I would hate to see ireland as a mere county in the massive country called europe.
BoatMad wrote: » you are forgetting something , this current deal really only deals with the transition period , what happens after that is completely unclear. Given the UK needs a trade deal with the EU , such deals could take many years to put together ( 10+ ?) , hence in effect the UK will have to extend the transition period until such a deal is concluded as the alternative is a no trade deal with the EU Hence for the transition period both NI and GB are in the SM/CU , hence the status quo prevails
Charles Babbage wrote: » There is an EU UK customs union. There will not, in general, be different tariffs. Nor can NI businesses import dodgy goods even if Britain allows it. However NI should remain within both the EU and UK VAT systems and that would help.
Atlantic Dawn wrote: » With NIRL access to EU and UK markets with this deal does that not give business up there massive advantage over those down here as they can source goods with less or no tariffs?
daheff wrote: » They only want access to the UK market. Not the rest of the baggage the UK bring....otherwise they'd bend over to give them a good deal leaving.
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » I've always suspected if it came down to a choice between trade, and solidarity with NI unionists, that the latter would be shafted. It's the Tory way.
Hurrache wrote: » Patricia McKenna on The Tonight Show was fairly animated and angry at the Irish government for what she says was taking a hard-line stance against Britain and for making life difficult for them and not facilitating an easy negotiation between them and the EU.
BoatMad wrote: » The large countries dont want the UK to leave and they would hold sway , I see no issue in allowing the UK to scrape the process, particulkary within what might be a very long transition period ( and in which according to this deal , very little would change anyway )
Anthracite wrote: » She's a contrarian. It's hard to believe she's really that naive.
daheff wrote: » Not sure they would. Theres a sizeable sentiment in EU that are fed up with the UK attitude to EU. I think at this point if the UK want to stay, then they are going to have to go all in....including accepting the EURO.
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » For me the most interesting aspect of today was the news that Liam Fox, the International Trade secretary, is seemingly supporting this agreement. If the UK were to find itself in a customs arrangement for the long term then he wouldn't be able to do many of the international deals he's been pushing for years now, notably the US one. The fact he doesn't seem alarmed about this suggests to me that the Tory leadership would now be prepared to leave NI even tighter within the EU's orbit at some stage down the line in order to strike those deals abroad; and I understand this is permissible under the flexibility of the Withdrawal Agreement. So perhaps the DUP have eroded all goodwill. The sniping at May, and throwing their weight around towards the Tories, have had consequences as Arlene Foster would say. I've always suspected if it came down to a choice between trade, and solidarity with NI unionists, that the latter would be shafted. It's the Tory way.
BoatMad wrote: » I agree, if the UK woke up and said , opps sorry about that anytime during what will be most likely a very long transition period, I think the 27 would happily allow them to not exit and remain in the EU
Originally Posted by Folkstonian View Post Desperate times for her, I just think she’s in her final hours as PM.
Folkstonian wrote: » Desperate times for her, I just think she’s in her final hours as PM.
charlie14 wrote: » Like us they will be in the CU and the SM, so no advantage over us. The advantage they could get is as faik not being in the euro zone there would be no EU budget oversight, (unlikely as England Scotland and Wales would raise hell), Westminster could reduce taxes in NI to make it not just attractive for businesses to set up but also for shoppers to go north. Not sure if the EU could do anything about that if they did ?
charlie14 wrote: » Like us they will be in the CU and the SM, so no advantage over us. The advantage they could get is as faik not being in the euro zone there would be no EU budget oversight, (unlikely as England Scotland and Wales would raise hell), Westminster could reduce taxes in NI to make it not just attractive for businesses to set up but also for shoppers to go north.Not sure if the EU could do anything about that if they did ?
Folkstonian wrote: » I think most interpreted the ‘staying inside the EU’ line as more of a thinly veiled threat to her own Eurosceptic MPs that it’s either her way or no Brexit at all. Desperate times for her, I just think she’s in her final hours as PM.
ArmaniJeanss wrote: » It goes back to the underlying concept of the EEC/EU as a force for peace and stability on the continent, letting them change their mind and welcoming them back into the club is consistent with that. Being a net contributor is also a help. I think the 'names' in the EU (and the prime ministers of the big countries) have generally been united in a 'no-one actually wants you to leave' message over the last 2 years.
Deleted User wrote: » Still interesting though that instead of the 2 scenarios oft repeated: ‘a deal or no deal’, we now have a 3rd: ‘no Brexit’ straight out of TM’s mouth. Apparently those that want a 2nd referendum have got a big lift from it. Meanwhile Fiona Mitchell, RTE’s London correspondent, in a debate on BBC’s Newsnight doesn’t believe this deal will make it through the HoC.
