kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
gunny123 wrote: » blackcard wrote: » He was very clear in his support of Ireland's position. Some people have done a lot of good work in getting the EU to back us The eu use us as a pawn more like, they are not interested in tiny countries like us, remember the way were treated in the nice and lisbon referendums, and then the bail out ? We were just a stick used to beat the brits with.
blackcard wrote: » He was very clear in his support of Ireland's position. Some people have done a lot of good work in getting the EU to back us
listermint wrote: » None of it will fly . I just don't see it.
MrMusician18 wrote: » I wouldn't be a fan of the present government but I think we have to acknowledge that the Government and DFA have done well here.
Itssoeasy wrote: » So, the big question is where does this leave the Irish government ? Have Leo varadkar and Simon Coveney done well on behalf of the country or not ? Or does it matter as it looks likely that the HoC more than likely won't vote this through.
EdgeCase wrote: » I can't see this getting through the House of Commons to be perfectly honest. It's a worst-of-both-worlds compromise that reflects the ridiculous reality of what they're trying to do. The Brexteers sound unhappy about it and the Remainers seem equally unhappy. New referendum seems to be about the only solution to this.
First Up wrote: » Barnier press conference very interesting - and clear.
am i bovvered wrote: » I’m just trying to get a better understanding of the document. There was a lot of comments here mentioning that the EU had shafted us, am i correct in thinking that this position is now false. Now that people have studied the wording and hearing MBarniers press conference. Thanks
gunny123 wrote: » The eu use us as a pawn more like, they are not interested in tiny countries like us, remember the way were treated in the nice and lisbon referendums, and then the bail out ? We were just a stick used to beat the brits with.
Until the future relationship becomes applicable, a single customs territory between the Union and the United Kingdom shall be established ("the single customs territory"). Accordingly, Northern Ireland is in the same customs territory as Great Britain. The single customs territory shall comprise: (a) the customs territory of the Union defined in Article 4 of Regulation (EU) No 952/2013; and (b) the customs territory of the United Kingdom.
Enzokk wrote: » listermint wrote: » None of it will fly . I just don't see it. Yes, getting it through parliament is going to be tough or even impossible. The only option is either cancel the whole thing or no deal if they don't accept this as there is no other deal they can possibly get though.
trellheim wrote: » FOlks - remember - why did Cameron call the referendum - to quiet the headbangers. Cant see this meeting their needs. Since they lose nothing by voting it down . not sanguine here
LuckyLloyd wrote: » Fair play to him. A triumph of process, unity and soft power. He has held the line magnificently throughout the last two years. A triumph for the Department of Foreign Affairs and the diplomatic core. All involved went to bat for Ireland, and won. You are fully correct. The EU stood by us and have delivered a final deal that aligns with and protects our interests in full. Brexit has given me a pride in the EU that I never had before. This entire shambles makes it clear where we want to be: inside the tent. That is their problem.
Spook_ie wrote: » Not really their problem, if it doesn't fly in the HoC then it's a border by default surely.
Itssoeasy wrote: » And I should have added to my questions in my last post that however we feel the government did, if it's not accepted in the HoC is it all for naught ? And it just so happens FG are the government of the day, but regardless of who was the Irish government I'd have expected them to hold the line on the position of the border. Did I hear the clip right that the Taoiseach said that the dail would vote on the agreement ? I know all the other 27 need to agree to this also but are we required to have a vote regardless of what happens across the water ?
Hurrache wrote: » The DUP being as logical and level headed as ever.https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1062756845180370949?s=19
LuckyLloyd wrote: » Itssoeasy wrote: » And I should have added to my questions in my last post that however we feel the government did, if it's not accepted in the HoC is it all for naught ? And it just so happens FG are the government of the day, but regardless of who was the Irish government I'd have expected them to hold the line on the position of the border. Did I hear the clip right that the Taoiseach said that the dail would vote on the agreement ? I know all the other 27 need to agree to this also but are we required to have a vote regardless of what happens across the water ? The EU have got HMG to agree to a deal favourable to the EU that protects Ireland's interests. To force the UK into a choice between this deal or the economic suicide of No Deal is a tremendous achievement. If they choose the latter option then they were even crazier than we thought possible and what's coming is what is required to reset their societal discourse. We may require a parliamentary vote, I'm not 100% sure.
LuckyLloyd wrote: » She loses 10 DUP votes for this deal but gets 12 Lib Dem and 1 Green Party in all likelihood as that group - while they'd prefer a referendum - will take this rather than the chaos of No Deal imo. Means the question becomes whether Tory rebels can be offset by enough Labour / SNP votes to get her over the line. To vote no consigns the nation to economic chaos. It has an excellent chance of getting through imo.
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