kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
Nody wrote: » The article appears to mix some significant pointers then; for starters most UK fish taken up is landed in EU ports (or exported to EU). That is ONLY allowed when there is a EU fishing qouta policy for those waters. If UK wants to exclude fishing or their fisheries take "back the control" they can't export any fish or fish products to EU which is the main market in the first place so good luck with that one. A good article on the topic is here; in short UK fishers are going to at best end up where they are today.
Imreoir2 wrote: » Name the Empire that fell because of a misplaced comma.
Itssoeasy wrote: » So the speech at 5pm has slipped a bit it seems. Also why is it just a microphone on a tripod yoke outside Downing Street ? There's normally a podium there so wonder if there's anything to that.
charlie14 wrote: » What I don`t get is them tying themselves into the CU indefinitely for no concernable purpose other than the Irish border when they knew there wasn`t a hope of the DUP supporting this deal. The could have got the same from the DUP just having this CU arrangement for NI and would have left them with a much better chance of getting this through the HoC.
intellectual dosser wrote: » That would be a stark difference between NI and GB, impossible for DUP to support, and Brexiters would twist the knife the DUP put in May's heart. By the sounds of this agreement, it seems Theresa May is going to have a stab at b/s'ing the DUP into seeing the NI specific text as minute detail that will never come into effect. NI aside, this agreement also saves the UK (and Irish) economy from the risk of total collapse between now and a real trade deal being put in place.
judeboy101 wrote: » God, what do they teach in history in school these days. In my day we learned of a brave man called Roger casement who was hanged for want of a comma on a 14th century English definition of traitor. His death caused outrage leading to many Irish to refuse to fight in ww1, depriving the brits of cannon fodder and hastening their need for the yanks to join. The Russian and austro-Hungarian empires fell because of this.
Water John wrote: » Getting the Press onside is crucial for her. They will write tomorrow's headlines. If those are bad her HoC speech may be for nought.
(3)Subsection (4) applies if the House of Commons decides not to pass the resolution mentioned in subsection (1)(b). (4) A Minister of the Crown must, within the period of 21 days beginning with the day on which the House of Commons decides not to pass the resolution, make a statement setting out how Her Majesty’s Government proposes to proceed in relation to negotiations for the United Kingdom’s withdrawal from the EU under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union. (5) A statement under subsection (4) must be made in writing and be published in such manner as the Minister making it considers appropriate. (6) A Minister of the Crown must make arrangements for— (a) a motion in neutral terms, to the effect that the House of Commons has considered the matter of the statement mentioned in subsection (4), to be moved in that House by a Minister of the Crown within the period of seven Commons sitting days beginning with the day on which the statement is made, and (b) a motion for the House of Lords to take note of the statement to be moved in that House by a Minister of the Crown within the period of seven Lords sitting days beginning with the day on which the statement is made.
breatheme wrote: » You couldn't make this up. You have NI, who according to Foster "can't be treated differently from the rest of the UK" and then Scotland, who according to Sturgeon actually should be treated differently, on account of their Remain vote. So NI wants to be Scotland and Scotland wants to be NI.
charlie14 wrote: » It is not going to make a blind bit of difference to the DUP. They are not that dumb that they do not know this "magical thinking" on a friction free border is a myth, as does May. By trying to keep them onside she has tied the UK into a CU indefinitely and will end up with not just the DUP voting against this deal but a fair sized rump of her own party. Not complaining. Suits us down to the ground if she pulls it off, but tbh I think it is more likely a hard Brexit due to not being passed by parliament
First Up wrote: » British business has been screaming CU into the ear of every politician they see since the referendum. Northern Ireland is a political complication but its a side show for UK industry and not the main reason the UK desperately needs a CU.
charlie14 wrote: » First Up wrote: » British business has been screaming CU into the ear of every politician they see since the referendum. Northern Ireland is a political complication but its a side show for UK industry and not the main reason the UK desperately needs a CU. I imagine they have been screaming SM as much. What May has now is the worst of both worlds. Paying into the EU and having to comply with any future regulations without any say and not being able to do any trade deals either. The more I think about it I cannot see the Brits accepting it. It`s the equivalent of the old scary limbo the catholic church used to preach.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » Scotland wants to be NI ? Scotland says NO!All 13 Scottish Tory MPs warn they will oppose any Brexit deal tying the UK's hands over fishing
First Up wrote: » That was always the best they could get but there's no shortage of delusion in Brexit-land. It doesn't mean they will agree to it of course.
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1062761140705546245 Encouraging if true.
Awesomeness wrote: » Apparently civil servants have been told to stop including dup on Brexit emails
ARNOLD J RIMMER wrote: » What can explain what that means as if you were talking to a child?
charlie14 wrote: » I imagine they have been screaming SM as much. What May has now is the worst of both worlds. Paying into the EU and having to comply with any future regulations without any say and not being able to do any trade deals either. The more I think about it I cannot see the Brits accepting it. It`s the equivalent of the old scary limbo the catholic church used to preach.
McGiver wrote: » Well EEA (or some sort of a Swiss-like arrangement) would be preferrable. But given the constaints CU is the best possible outcome for May.
McGiver wrote: » CU allows to do FTAs, as does EEA. EFTA has their own FTAs. The key point here is that if you are EEA, you have to align regulations with the EU and if you are in alignment, your FTAs with third parties hence are also aligned with the EU standards and regulations. So UK won't be able to do FTAs with parties which significantly differ in their regulatory regime or significantly alter/downgrade their own regulatory regime either. That's the point the ultra-free-marketeers Brexiteers are concerned about, they wouldn't be able to do low-tax low-regulatory haven, Singapore on Thames.
