kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
An Ciarraioch wrote: » Hope you're not holding any hot drinks while reading this, but the Daily Express approve the deal!http://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1062462871806898176
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » I don't see how that is the Express approving the deal? Seems to be just spelling out May's words rather than actually endorsing them.
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » Really want to see this text now.https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1062466422130073601
Hurrache wrote: » Could mean a UK wide backstop. Like we've seen before, you get all sorts of claims and allegations when it comes to Brexit thrown out by interested parties to suit an agenda.
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1062469266849570818 Seems EU has conceded some ground.
J Mysterio wrote: » Seems Farage was humiliated in Brussels today.
ex-Ukip leader also suggested Britain had lost the second world war because the nation had been “bankrupted” and “our big imperial possessions started to disappear.” Farage has four children, two with his wife Kirsten Mehr, who is a German national and has confirmed the couple separated last year.
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1062469266849570818 Seems EU has conceded some ground. Most of her Cabinet on board reportedly.https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1062470005198110720
It is what’s described in Brussels as the “swimming pool” approach – in other words it has a shallow end and a deep end, when it comes to measures aimed at making sure trade is completely frictionless between NI and the ROI, and fairly frictionless between Great Britain and the EU27. GB would be in the shallow end, NI in the deep. Or to be more precise, the whole of the UK would stay in the customs union if a long-term trading relationship between the UK and EU isn’t negotiated and implemented by the end of 2020 – which no one (with the possible exception of the PM) expects it to be. In fact most EU politicians expect the backstop to be the reality of our trading relationship with the EU for many years. But – and this is reassuring for May, and perhaps for most in the Cabinet – EU leaders don’t really like this version of the backstop, which is largely May’s preferred model of how to keep open that border in Ireland (in that sense it can be seen as a victory for her in the negotiations). So there will be an option after the UK leaves the EU next March, during the 21 month transition period, to negotiate some other arrangement that would have the same effect as the backstop (and yes I know this is confusing – but probably what mostly matters is that only the backstop will be legally binding, and that is what will upset many of her MPs). But in addition to being in the customs union, Northern Ireland would also remain in much of the single market, that part of it pertaining to goods: Northern Ireland alone would be forced to follow all EU directives and laws in relation to goods flowing back and forth between NI and the ROI. ... But this aspect of the backstop – the deep end for Northern Ireland – could well undermine the agreement between the DUP and the Conservative Party for the DUP to back all important government legislation, and possibly wreck it, throwing into jeopardy the PM’s ability to govern. And if the DUP votes with Labour and hardcore Tory Brexiters AND hardcore Tory Remainers against her Brexit deal – which is an anti-May coalition I anticipate – the PM would lose the “meaningful vote” on the deal by a large margin. ... For the avoidance of doubt, what’s finally been negotiated is much less toxic to May than the EU’s original proposal of Northern Ireland alone remaining in the customs union and the single market. But it will still upset many of the MPs who sustain her in power. To state the obvious, much will hinge on how and whether the UK could get out of the backstop – about which we will presumably learn all tomorrow.https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/heres-what-theresa-may-has-just-agreed-on-northern-ireland-and-no-the-dup-wont-like-it
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » Surprised by this claim:https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1062457793297420289 I thought the EU had ruled out independent arbitration?
murphaph wrote: » It would be astonishing if there was not an all weather backstop in the text. I would be very disappointed but I think it's probably on there, if a little difficult to understand.
Hurrache wrote: » The peasant Brendan O'Neil doing the press review on Sky News tonight, those with HD may see the veins in his temples pulse in anger.
Mc Love wrote: » Maybe the DUP were right that the irish government were fuming
judeboy101 wrote: » Massive climbdown by EU, allowing "independent arbitration. Where is the ECJ? I think the reason Irish gov so quiet is the shock at finding a large knife protruding from their back. So much for the "back stop".
judeboy101 wrote: » So much for EU having our back.
devnull wrote: » He's just stated that there's already a border between NI and ROI and if it gets a bit harder it won't cause many problems, won't be the end of the world and won't cause any troubles and something like that isn't going to set Irish people off on it's own, as they are not crazy.
An Ciarraioch wrote: » UK Attorney General quoted as saying NI would be in "different regulatory regime and subject to EU laws and institutions" - impossible to see HoC approving that:
An Ciarraioch wrote: » Assuming both Connelly and Peston are correct, and NI remains in the SM regulatory regime, presumably the agreement simply doesn't use the word backstop.
devnull wrote: » He's just stated that there's already a border between NI and ROI and if it gets a bit harder it won't cause many problems,
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