kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
prawnsambo wrote: » The CSO base their figures on final destination for goods, not where they're shipped through. So the Belgian exports are goods that are destined for Belgium only. Afaik, it's a lot of agri-foods that go there. Beef, dairy etc.
Scoondal wrote: » Is that because US companies use Ireland as a tax haven ? I find it hard to believe that actual Irish companies have more trade to USA than to EU.. This all just your Apple, Google, non manufacturing "numbers/accounts" trade. If you look at real trading relationships, USA to Ireland and vice versa, it is small compared to trade of products to EU.
Call me Al wrote: » But is there a proportion of the UK exports figure that's shipped on from there too?
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Belgium distributes a lot if pharmaceutical goods across Europe. 87% of Irish exports to Belgium were chemical products.
prawnsambo wrote: » Isn't that post-processed though? We manufacture a lot of chemicals for the pharma industry that's not end product until it's further processed into medicines etc. I haven't look hard enough at the data on the CSO site, but I've seen lots of announcements in the agri-food sector about increased exports to Belgium.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » About 45% of exports to Belgium are organic chemicals and 45% are pharma products. Meat and dairy is less than 5%.
prawnsambo wrote: » Yeah. I'm not actually disagreeing with you. It's just that there's been a hige increase in beef and dairy exports to there lately. Dairy to Belgium increased fivefold from January to July.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » prawnsambo wrote: » Yeah. I'm not actually disagreeing with you. It's just that there's been a hige increase in beef and dairy exports to there lately. Dairy to Belgium increased fivefold from January to July. Long may it continue. But the starting point must have been very small as the meat and dairy exports to Belgium combined was less than $300 million in 2017. The question is though: How can our industries shift markets away from the UK ASAP?
An Ciarraioch wrote: » Looking at the PDF that the CSO released today, exports to GB were in single digit percentages for five of the first eight months of the year, with Netherlands in particular recording a notable jump. Also, there was a huge spike in imports from Germany, suggesting companies are actively looking to reduce exposure in their supply chains.
McGiver wrote: » I'd argue that the French "imperialism" is a of a different sort nowadays. Also, the French presence in Mali isn't invasion but supporting the local army/government against islamist insurgencies/militias from neighboring countries. That's a tad different than British invasion of Iraq. It's not fair to present Mali as something negative, it's actually quite positive. Without the french intervention, the state could have fallen into similar mess as Libya. also, you may know that France traditionally has strong West-African presence. EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Mali_conflict
cml387 wrote: » As a child of the cold war, it has got me thinking about how Britain had prepared for a nuclear exchange by planning food distribution post attack. Probably off topic, if so I apologise, but it makes interesting reading One aspect was the feeding of refugees from bombed cities, for which no plan was seemingly possible. This bit is rather chilling:
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Exports to the UK are down 5% overall in the first 7 months of this year. It's significant and a welcome trend if we gain other markets. However it's not nearly enough if they crash out. Also, the 5% is probably low hanging fruit.
prawnsambo wrote: » I heard that further drops are coming in January when contracts expire and aren't renewed. And that's coming from our side. Exporters are actively cutting the UK out.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I know of one major company who is closing its UK branch, with the loss of 100 jobs, because they are "downsizing across the world" . And this is what is reported in the British press because this is what the company said. Except that I know for a fact they are closing because of Brexit.
LeinsterDub wrote: » Who are they?
Anthracite wrote: » The organisation I work with opened a Dublin office as EMEA HQ due to Brexit. We'll have 100 highly paid and highly skilled employees next year, potentially rising to thousands in the next decade. The originaly EU HQ, London, is just a local office now. Thanks, Brexit!
RobMc59 wrote: » The problem that might emerge for the EU from a hard Brexit is that after a period of uncertainty and taking a major hit a resurgent UK regroups (rather like russia)-the EU would have no control over what may be a more attractive proposition to nations wavering about EU membership (and there are a few).
LeinsterDub wrote: » Would the UK be offering these counties some sort of trade deal? Otherwise I don't see the advantage to them?
RobMc59 wrote: » LeinsterDub wrote: » Would the UK be offering these counties some sort of trade deal? Otherwise I don't see the advantage to them? If the EU has no control over the UK and if after a hard brexit they regroup and do well other countries may be tempted to also leave the EU-that's what I'm suggesting.
An Ciarraioch wrote: » For the likes of Montenegro, Bosnia etc, it's as much as seeking a counterbalance to Russian influence than any issues about sovereignty.
RobMc59 wrote: » If the EU has no control over the UK and if after a hard brexit they regroup and do well other countries may be tempted to also leave the EU-that's what I'm suggesting.
RobMc59 wrote: » The problem that might emerge for the EU from a hard Brexit is that after a period of uncertainty and taking a major hit a resurgent UK regroups (rather like russia)
