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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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Dublin Airport has planning permission to build a new parallel runway to the north of the existing main runway. The Regulator has determined that this new runway can only be funded by airport users when annual passenger volumes through Dublin Airport reach 23.5 million. Annualised passenger numbers in 2012 will be in the region of 19 million and current forecasts indicate that the 23.5 million target for bringing a new runway into operation, will be reached in or about 2019. What do you all think?

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Frankfurts is far worse. It took me ages to find it and the correct lane to access it. The road network is appalling.

theguzman

I recently hired a car in Dublin Airport for a day as it worked out cheaper then using my own car.

I must say the infrastructure there is absolutely diabolical, It took me a good half an hour - 45mins to find the returns drop off point in morning rush hour traffic with heavy rain as I had originally tried to return back to where I took the car out from but couldn't find a way back there due to signage and different lanes, pulled up at Departures drop-off and asked an Airport employee who didn't know either.

Eventually I just followed a shuttle bus from Hertz back to the rental returns area. They really need to erect overhead gantrys as the signage here is absolutely pathetic, as with big double decker buses and lorries you can't see it unless the lane is empty. I drove around in circles for ages trying to find it, and Google Maps directed me straight back to Departures for the carhire desks.

https://goo.gl/maps/7PrWL3oVg7M2

CoisFharraige

Locker10a wrote: »

Knowing the IAAs approach to modern atc that’s probably unlikely

Their equipment is the most up-to-date in the world with the COOPANS ATC system. Procedures somehow seem to fall behind on a lot of countries.

basill

They could do independent parallel approaches with the proposed amount of separation. Controllers will need to be sent off and trained up though.

jamo2oo9

I thought the requirement was 2100m between two runways?

goingnowhere

1700m is more than enough to allow for completely independent operation

not1but4

https://youtu.be/5QZ3eozyQfU?t=300

According to my crayons drawings the new runway will be 1,700 metres apart. So they don't even have to be staggered and can land simultaneously.

trellheim

It should be noted that dual landing and take-off ops cannot be performed in Dublin when the new runway is built because it doesn't meet the minimum separation distance between the two runways.

Source ?

HTCOne

The minimum distance for parallel approaches is 760m provided sufficient Navaids, ILS, Radar, training and procedures are in place, and even then there’s ways and means around that. Look at SFO. Their runway centerlines are just over 200m apart.

The FAA require offsets for simultaneous parallel departures when they’re that close though IIRC.

Hotblack Desiato

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

It should be noted that dual landing and take-off ops cannot be performed in Dublin when the new runway is built because it doesn't meet the minimum separation distance between the two runways.

Is this the new "the two luas lines are different gauges" myth?

Give the DAA a little credit.

Locker10a

MoeJay wrote: »

The two runways will be 1600m apart, no problem for parallel approaches. As long as the correct radar facilities and procedures are in place....

Knowing the IAAs approach to modern atc that’s probably unlikely

MoeJay

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

It should be noted that dual landing and take-off ops cannot be performed in Dublin when the new runway is built because it doesn't meet the minimum separation distance between the two runways. There are rare times when you could have dual departures on 28 and 34 only but that's not something to rely on 100%.

The two runways will be 1600m apart, no problem for parallel approaches. As long as the correct radar facilities and procedures are in place....

jamo2oo9

It should be noted that dual landing and take-off ops cannot be performed in Dublin when the new runway is built because it doesn't meet the minimum separation distance between the two runways. There are rare times when you could have dual departures on 28 and 34 only but that's not something to rely on 100%.

Locker10a

Ireland trains wrote: »

How much gates will a new pier 5 have according to IAG.
Will the area for cargo between the 2 existing runways be for passenger services aswell.
Is it likley that the existing main runway will have mostly aer lingus and long haul flights because its near terminal 2 and the new runway will have mostly ryanair and other short haul services as well as really long long-haul flights.
Is there a chance that the IAG airlines may operate from terminal 2 once the new pier is built or will it be for most/all long haul flights.
Thanks

So I’m not the daa or anything but I can try an answer some of this,
Dual runway ops are generally one being used for take off, the other being used for landings, there’s sometimes exceptions made but generally safest practice is to separate departures and arrivals.
There’s no indication IAG carriers want to operate from the same terminal so far, there’s not that much need for it I suppose. In Heathrow IAG operators do their own thing with the exception of a few Iberia Madrid flights. It’s the same story in Barcelona and Madrid they don’t share terminals there so I can’t see it being a priority.

Ireland trains

How much gates will a new pier 5 have according to IAG.
Will the area for cargo between the 2 existing runways be for passenger services aswell.
Is it likley that the existing main runway will have mostly aer lingus and long haul flights because its near terminal 2 and the new runway will have mostly ryanair and other short haul services as well as really long long-haul flights.
Is there a chance that the IAG airlines may operate from terminal 2 once the new pier is built or will it be for most/all long haul flights.
Thanks

MJohnston

markpb wrote: »

RATP operate an airport express bus between CDG and the city centre. I've taken out to the airport a few times, all of them at rush hour, and found it to be faster, more reliable and more comfortable than the RER (not that that's saying much!). My only complaint is that I constantly struggle to find the bus stop in the city centre.

Problem with a bus in Paris is they have no bus lanes on the main roads, so if, like yesterday, there's even 1 crash, the whole place is gridlock. It took me 2 hours to get from Rue de Rivoli to CDG T1, which is horrendous.

DUB has its faults, but connectivity is not one of them I would say - the Port Tunnel is a tremendous asset in that regard.

lord lucan

MJohnston wrote: »

There's no indication that this is permanent though - you have to take that snaking walk because they have temporary construction hoarding up to rebuild part of the Duty Free shopping section.

Once that construction is done, it could very well be that the original path is reinstated. Regardless, it's about 10 metres extra walk!

It'll be staying that way when all the work is done next summer.

markpb

MJohnston wrote: »

As an aside - after flying through CDG, I don't think I'll ever complain about DUB's city centre connections again - we have a really wonderfully located airport compared to a lot of other cities.

RATP operate an airport express bus between CDG and the city centre. I've taken out to the airport a few times, all of them at rush hour, and found it to be faster, more reliable and more comfortable than the RER (not that that's saying much!). My only complaint is that I constantly struggle to find the bus stop in the city centre.

Chris_5339762

MJohnston wrote: »

As an aside - after flying through CDG, I don't think I'll ever complain about DUB's city centre connections again - we have a really wonderfully located airport compared to a lot of other cities.

I agree. But we do not make use of the location. Get that train/Luas-style link up and a running; it'll make a hell of a difference.

MJohnston

Had to use the South Gates/PBZ for a flight to Paris and back over the last couple of days - they're actually fine, if a little barebones. Thing is, I couldn't help but feel like the use of a bus to get you there is completely unnecessary in the long term. It would be a 4-5 minute walk at worst, better if they added travelators. I don't see any walkway connection in those infrastructure plans that were posted though, which is a shame! The bus ride really makes it feel like a bottom of the barrel solution, whereas if you had to walk it would just feel like literally any other airport with long walks to gates.

As an aside - after flying through CDG, I don't think I'll ever complain about DUB's city centre connections again - we have a really wonderfully located airport compared to a lot of other cities.

MJohnston

Noxegon wrote: »

It's now necessary to walk through a shopping maze in terminal two before you can get to the departure lounge.

There's no indication that this is permanent though - you have to take that snaking walk because they have temporary construction hoarding up to rebuild part of the Duty Free shopping section.

Once that construction is done, it could very well be that the original path is reinstated. Regardless, it's about 10 metres extra walk!

HTCOne

blackwhite wrote: »

The IAG group capital markets presentation last week showed the plans for Dublin.

New pier from the 100 gates, and a new pier off T2 also

http://www.iairgroup.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=240949&p=irol-presentations

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9NDEyOTk5fENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1&cb=636767387686116875

Slide 87

Glad they ditched the plans for the new pier on the 300 gates as they were planning on getting rid of 16/34 as a result, bananas idea.

blackwhite

Ireland trains wrote: »

Do we know were the DAA are going to build new piers.
I suppose some of the options would be extend pier C, make a new pier east of pier D or a pier south of terminal 2.if construction started tomorrow, how long would it be untill it is operational

The IAG group capital markets presentation last week showed the plans for Dublin.

New pier from the 100 gates, and a new pier off T2 also

http://www.iairgroup.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=240949&p=irol-presentations

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9NDEyOTk5fENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1&cb=636767387686116875

Slide 87

Ireland trains

Do we know were the DAA are going to build new piers.
I suppose some of the options would be extend pier C, make a new pier east of pier D or a pier south of terminal 2.if construction started tomorrow, how long would it be untill it is operational

Chris_5339762

Locker10a wrote: »

Ya I’m the same I generally beeline to the lounge, occasionally I’ll try a new cologne but it’s huge brand exposure. I’ll bet you can recognise hundreds of brands you never normally buy or shop for and it’s from these type of situations and placements. A time will come at some point when you need to purchase something be it a gift or something and time after time people go for brands that are familiar to them

I wish I had a lounge to beeline to! I usually find the quietest corner to sit down in and either eat my egg sandwiches (which I made at home before the flight) or read my kindle!

Locker10a

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Trust me I never buy anything in those places! The worst I do is a bottle of water, or I launch an expedition to find a water fountain somewhere.

I will occasionally try a free shot of whiskey but I will never buy.

Ya I’m the same I generally beeline to the lounge, occasionally I’ll try a new cologne but it’s huge brand exposure. I’ll bet you can recognise hundreds of brands you never normally buy or shop for and it’s from these type of situations and placements. A time will come at some point when you need to purchase something be it a gift or something and time after time people go for brands that are familiar to them

jamo2oo9

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Trust me I never buy anything in those places! The worst I do is a bottle of water, or I launch an expedition to find a water fountain somewhere.

I will occasionally try a free shot of whiskey but I will never buy.

That would be a different story if you were flying out of Europe...

Chris_5339762

Trust me I never buy anything in those places! The worst I do is a bottle of water, or I launch an expedition to find a water fountain somewhere.

I will occasionally try a free shot of whiskey but I will never buy.

Locker10a

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Mine isn't

That’s what you think

Chris_5339762

rushfan wrote: »

They call it a serpentine design whereby as you walk through it , your vision is drawn to the various retail areas

Mine isn't