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* Motors chat - round 12 *

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This thread is for motoring topics which you feel are not worthy of starting a new thread for, banter from a meet or general motoring related chit chat.

Keep it clean, be nice and helpful.

Motors charter applies.

Round 11 is HERE

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beertons

Have my car 15 years today. Was going to give it a wash, but mother nature took care of that.

selous

Driving through Kill earlier seen a nice looking shape car in the distance as I got to it realised how bloody nice it was, a black 182 Audi RS4 avant MMMMMMMMMM!

vintagevrs

A colleague bought a 190 Celica about ten years ago. I had a 350z at the time, and it was mad in comparison. It felt much quicker with the noise. He took me for a spin and I spent the whole time looking at the tach. Great fun, but as mentioned you need to be abusing it to get the best from it.

Dartz

CianRyan wrote: »

I’ve had a mad horn for a Celica the past few weeks, then yesterday I gave a bit of full throttle when passing a lovely one (white, full TRD kit) and the driver responded with a little blip of the noise pedal and god it sounded lovely.

There was a beautiful red 7th gen for sale a few weeks back that I regret not asking about now.
My own car was involved in a light tip so I’ll have to stay with it until the insurance is settled at least. :rolleyes:
I love my RX8 but 12mpg is hard to swallow for a daily.

Edit: TFB, did you sell your Glanza? You say the Civic is the car you’ve owned the longest but I thought you had the Glanza parked off somewhere?

12mpg?

You should be getting better than that - even on the morning commute in traffic I do get the 14-15. And near double that if I'm on a motorway.

CianRyan

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I still have much love for my old one. Definitely enjoyed owning it.

You rarely see any 190 engined ones coming up for sale any more, the very very odd one and that's it.

The 140 is probably just as usable day to day as you really have to drive the flute out of the 190 to utilize the power, you've still only got 140 on tap in the 190 once it's below 6800rpm, which is 98% of the time :pac:.

The same can be said about my own car, until the 5th and 6th ports open at about 6500rpm you’re not making much other than noise. I’ve become accustomed to dropping 3 gears when I see a challenge. :pac:

It’s the draw of a light weight FF car that’s got me going right now and the 7th gen just seem like the best bang for buck when you weight up spend, power/ability and being fairly modern.

CIP4

Augeo wrote: »

Including depreciation?

Rightly or wrongly I have never done the whole depreciation on cars thing basically I buy it and whatever it cost on that day I consider that money gone and no longer count it. I never consider equity in cars as being real money I could use as I don’t plan on ever selling my car to buy a cheaper one.

Basically I have the same outlook on them as anything else I buy. I understand the point of depreciation and why businesses use it but I don’t see why individuals use it for cars. Like for my car I know it has or never will make financial sense to own but I like it and cars are one of the few things I waste money on really any car worth more than a couple of thousand is a luxury you could live without.

wotzgoingon

colm_mcm wrote: »

You def overpaid for your civic, I paid less than that in 2012 for mine.

You bought when the recession was starting so people wanted to off load un-necessary items as quick as possible cheaply.

Toyotafanboi

colm_mcm wrote: »

You def overpaid for your civic, I paid less than that in 2012 for mine.

That in itself doesn't mean I overpaid though, you could have got a good deal. It definitely wasn't the cheapest example at the time i'll grant you that though but it was clean with a good spec and a good history so I didnt mind a bit over the odds. In early '16 anything half way decent in one of them was the guts of €6k thought when I was looking.

colm_mcm

You def overpaid for your civic, I paid less than that in 2012 for mine.

Toyotafanboi

CianRyan wrote: »

You know what, for years I've felt the same but in the last few months I've genuinly come around to them. There's a lot of rubbish 140bhp models around but the TRD or TTE spec'd cars with the 2ZZge are definitely going to get popular soon, they're getting on the right side of the "old enough to be cool" scene.

I still have much love for my old one. Definitely enjoyed owning it.

You rarely see any 190 engined ones coming up for sale any more, the very very odd one and that's it.

The 140 is probably just as usable day to day as you really have to drive the flute out of the 190 to utilize the power, you've still only got 140 on tap in the 190 once it's below 6800rpm, which is 98% of the time :pac:.

Toyotafanboi

Augeo wrote: »

Well if you reckon changing your car will save you €2500/annum and you aren't factoring in depreciation it's not really a saving

Your "savings" might well cover the depreciation in this case so you are changing car for no additional cost perhaps.

You got me thinking, so I've had a look at it.

When I bought my Honda I borrowed a 7k personal loan at the time over 3 years and have paid it off slightly early. I repaid 7950 including APR and sold the car for 2600, so using the car cost me 5350.

I've done the same with the Golf, loan to purchase using a minimal deposit. The Golf was 8k and I paid 10% deposit, so financing 7200, paying back 8165. In 4 years time, the Golf will be 10 years old, currently a 10 year old Golf seems to be worth around 3500 for a good example. Lets say dieselgate and all the associated things devalue mine a little more, say its worth 1750 at the end of the 3 years. that'll mean the vehicle itself cost me 6415 for the 3 years.

So the Civic has cost me €17440 over 3 years/ 105k kms
6.5l/100km x 1.49€/l x 105k kms = €10169.00 fuel + 1920 road tax + 5350 depreciation.

And the predicted cost of the Golf will be €15112 over the same period.
5.0l/100km x 1.39€/l x 105k kms = €7297 fuel + 600 road tax + 6415 depreciation + 800 cash deposit.

So the total cost of ownership including depreciation is still at a worst case €750 p/a less on the Golf than it would be on the Honda, possibly better in reality if it holds its value a bit better. And that's before you factor in things like more frequent NCT testing on the older vehicle and the fact that I paid the Hondas tax quarterly which incurs a financial penalty etc. I understand that the diesel is probably more prone to an expensive unexpected repair that the petrol which could wipe some or all of the potential saving but ideally most of the things that this car is prone to are covered by VW's trust building measure which was a consideration in my purchasing decision.

Still quids in, i think, but only time will tell.

CianRyan

Ha! All the closest Celica fans coming out to play!

I'd really love an ST205 or even a beams ST202 too but they all seem to be entirely made of rust or just overpriced/not really for sale...

Big Nasty wrote: »

Never liked the 7th Gen Celica. Previous model was a far better looking car. More of a muscular feel to it.

You know what, for years I've felt the same but in the last few months I've genuinly come around to them. There's a lot of rubbish 140bhp models around but the TRD or TTE spec'd cars with the 2ZZge are definitely going to get popular soon, they're getting on the right side of the "old enough to be cool" scene.

Big Nasty

Never liked the 7th Gen Celica. Previous model was a far better looking car. More of a muscular feel to it.

fancy pigeon

CianRyan wrote: »

I’ve had a mad horn for a Celica the past few weeks, then yesterday I gave a bit of full throttle when passing a lovely one (white, full TRD kit) and the driver responded with a little blip of the noise pedal and god it sounded lovely.

There was a beautiful red 7th gen for sale a few weeks back that I regret not asking about now.
My own car was involved in a light tip so I’ll have to stay with it until the insurance is settled at least. :rolleyes:
I love my RX8 but 12mpg is hard to swallow for a daily.

Edit: TFB, did you sell your Glanza? You say the Civic is the car you’ve owned the longest but I thought you had the Glanza parked off somewhere?

I had planned a vvtli swap into my own E12 saloon earlier this year, had the donor car sourced, running and all! But circumstances changed very fast and I had to let both go... Before I even got off the ground

Maybe I will attempt another one again in the future

[Deleted User]

Funnily enough I was considering a Celica before I turned towards the RX8

CianRyan

I’ve had a mad horn for a Celica the past few weeks, then yesterday I gave a bit of full throttle when passing a lovely one (white, full TRD kit) and the driver responded with a little blip of the noise pedal and god it sounded lovely.

There was a beautiful red 7th gen for sale a few weeks back that I regret not asking about now.
My own car was involved in a light tip so I’ll have to stay with it until the insurance is settled at least. :rolleyes:
I love my RX8 but 12mpg is hard to swallow for a daily.

Edit: TFB, did you sell your Glanza? You say the Civic is the car you’ve owned the longest but I thought you had the Glanza parked off somewhere?

[Deleted User]

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

No, but sure who cares about that . ...............

Well if you reckon changing your car will save you €2500/annum and you aren't factoring in depreciation it's not really a saving

Your "savings" might well cover the depreciation in this case so you are changing car for no additional cost perhaps.

Toyotafanboi

Augeo wrote: »

Including depreciation?

No, but sure who cares about that

. Most stuff that is depreciation free is either far more exotic than i could afford or one foot in the grave.

The Honda was the longest I've ever had a car and I will enjoy the change, it's still not a very modern car but it's the newest car I'll have ever owned.

[Deleted User]

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

..............

Yeah, I reckon the saving will be around €2500 per year based on 35k kms.

Including depreciation?

CIP4

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

It could have, I've also bought it online, never seen nor test driven it in person so hopefully it's in good order :pac:

Looks to have a touchscreen head unit, has some regular enough stuff like air con and cruise control etc, fairly vanilla but that'll do nicely.

Yeah, I reckon the saving will be around €2500 per year based on 35k kms.

It’s a fair bit of money to save yearly for having a similar enough car fair enough it’s not petrol but it’s not like you are going from an M3 either. Would you not have tried to get a 2.0tdi 140 one or are they still making a lot more money than the 1.6tdi ?

Toyotafanboi

CIP4 wrote: »

R-line does it at least have a few extras on it so ?

It could have, I've also bought it online, never seen nor test driven it in person so hopefully it's in good order :pac:

Looks to have a touchscreen head unit, has some regular enough stuff like air con and cruise control etc, fairly vanilla but that'll do nicely.

Yeah, I reckon the saving will be around €2500 per year based on 35k kms.

CIP4

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Close, ish.

Golf Mk6.

R-line with 1.6 diesel engine, cheap tax, long life service intervals and it's had the emissions update... so pretty much the most hated car on boards.ie.

It's really a car for people who have no interest whatsoever in cars.

R-line does it at least have a few extras on it so ? Nothing wrong with it and should definitely save you in running costs and will be a solid comfortable car to drive you could be in a lot worse.

Toyotafanboi

CIP4 wrote: »

I am going to guess you are going to drive the mk7 golf and your partner is getting a new car.

Close, ish.

Golf Mk6.

R-line with 1.6 diesel engine, cheap tax, long life service intervals and it's had the emissions update... so pretty much the most hated car on boards.ie.

It's really a car for people who have no interest whatsoever in cars.

James Bond Junior

520deeee?

morritty

Passat maybe?

CIP4

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Had it just shy of 3 years. Never had any issues worth talking about really, an ABS sensor was about the only thing outside of regular maintenance.

It was becoming increasing hard to ignore that the overheads for that car were not particularly low in terms of fuel, road tax, insurance. I took out a personal loan to buy it at the time and now that it's cleared, I was looking at other ways to get around and ideally reducing my monthly motoring bill.

Considered all sorts. I can confirm that the new car it isn't an IS250, nor is it a Toyota, or Japanese, or even petrol engined!

The new car is painfully mundane to me, but I reckon you'd approve :pac:

I am going to guess you are going to drive the mk7 golf and your partner is getting a new car.

Toyotafanboi

CIP4 wrote: »

Seems like you had the civic a long time. Did it give you much bother ?

Had it just shy of 3 years. Never had any issues worth talking about really, an ABS sensor was about the only thing outside of regular maintenance.

It was becoming increasing hard to ignore that the overheads for that car were not particularly low in terms of fuel, road tax, insurance. I took out a personal loan to buy it at the time and now that it's cleared, I was looking at other ways to get around and ideally reducing my monthly motoring bill.

Considered all sorts. I can confirm that the new car it isn't an IS250, nor is it a Toyota, or Japanese, or even petrol engined!

The new car is painfully mundane to me, but I reckon you'd approve :pac:

Interslice

Integra dc2

Sexual Chocolate

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I'm taking guesses and i'll award a shiny penny to any correct ones!

Jap hatch with turbo.

CIP4

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Was meant to be picking up the Civic's replacement today but it's been put off until Monday now, would have liked to have had it for the weekend.

I'm taking guesses and i'll award a shiny penny to any correct ones!

Seems like you had the civic a long time. Did it give you much bother ?