kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
Tell me how wrote: The lady guest just called Leo the Irish President........
J Mysterio wrote: Ian Dunt on Sky Press Preview
WomanSkirtFan8 wrote: » If an UI were to happen, it would have to be done extremely carefully so as not to alienate the loyalist/unionist community or anyone else for that matter. We've already seen where alienation, particularly in the case of NI, were that can lead to historically so let's be extremely careful here. I would also agree that housing (Especially) and health are far more important issues at the present time.:cool:
Tell me how wrote: » We're a bit away yet from a UI I think. It needs to show a capacity to function without massive government subsidy funding. A UI referendum night not be viewed too positively in Ireland if health/housing/economy status are an issue.
zapitastas wrote: » The quickest route to a UI would probably be a messy and rough brexit that hammers the economy of the North and sees large EU intervention to offset some of the damage to the rest of the island. That would surely see a movement of those holding the middle ground towards the possibility of a UI
RobMc59 wrote: » I respect and agree with your wish for a UI but it's more likely to happen if the UK remains in the EU imo. I voted to remain and am truly gutted about brexit-I'm British,of Irish descent with an Irish wife from co.louth so know the uncertainty brexit is causing in Ireland.
Shelga wrote: » I think Brexit is a monumentally stupid decision, but a second referendum, where remaining in the EU is an option, is not going to be decisive enough in any case to settle this for a generation. Brexit is a symptom, not the disease. I think they have to go through with it and feel the pain, as others have said. My worry is that they will still be blaming the EU for all of their woes, even after they’ve left.
prawnsambo wrote: » I doubt very much if there will be a 2nd referendum. It would be far too messy and time consuming. Much more likely (in the case of them wanting to back out) that the PM withdraws A50. Any PM.
zapitastas wrote: The quickest route to a UI would probably be a messy and rough brexit that hammers the economy of the North and sees large EU intervention to offset some of the damage to the rest of the island. That would surely see a movement of those holding the middle ground towards the possibility of a UI
charlie14 wrote: » You may not realise it but I have pointed out that I am from a RoI county bordering NI and that I favour a 32 county Ireland so I am the last person in the world that wants to see the UK out of the the EU due to the knock on effect it will cause, not just for this country, but for my own county. That doesn`t mean that when people talk about a 2nd referendum as the salvation I do not look on it as just wishful thinking for many reasons. Not just based on the results of that poll.
charlie14 wrote: » RobMc59 wrote: » You are correct-i thought I was imaging it but there seems to be an undercurrent of opinion that wants the UK out of the EU regardless-a 2nd vote would the last thing they want. You may not realise it but I have pointed out that I am from a RoI county bordering NI and that I favour a 32 county Ireland so I am the last person in the world that wants to see the UK out of the the EU due to the knock on effect it will cause, not just for this country, but for my own county. That doesn`t mean that when people talk about a 2nd referendum as the salvation I do not look on it as just wishful thinking for many reasons. Not just based on the results of that poll.
RobMc59 wrote: » You are correct-i thought I was imaging it but there seems to be an undercurrent of opinion that wants the UK out of the EU regardless-a 2nd vote would the last thing they want.
Gintonious wrote: » Watching Aaron Banks on the defensive...oh my. Enjoy.
Enzokk wrote: » charlie14 wrote: » There is always a margin of at least 3% + or - error with these polls including a lumping in of the "don`t knows". But either way we are not going to know either way if a 2nd referendum would make a difference. Not only is there no political will for another, there isn`t time for one before the 29th March. You seem to be trying very hard to convince us that this wouldn't happen. First it was that the result wouldn't change, then when polls were shown to you that in fact it seems that people are changing their minds now it is about the time. We know it is unlikely, but that is not to say that it shouldn't be fought for because it would be the most sensible course of action. The UK will benefit, we will benefit and the EU will benefit. The political will changes direction according to the polls and it is moving in the right direction if you are looking for the sensible solution.
charlie14 wrote: » There is always a margin of at least 3% + or - error with these polls including a lumping in of the "don`t knows". But either way we are not going to know either way if a 2nd referendum would make a difference. Not only is there no political will for another, there isn`t time for one before the 29th March.
Enzokk wrote: » You seem to be trying very hard to convince us that this wouldn't happen. First it was that the result wouldn't change, then when polls were shown to you that in fact it seems that people are changing their minds now it is about the time. We know it is unlikely, but that is not to say that it shouldn't be fought for because it would be the most sensible course of action. The UK will benefit, we will benefit and the EU will benefit. The political will changes direction according to the polls and it is moving in the right direction if you are looking for the sensible solution.
Tell me how wrote: » Exactly. Democracy nearly needs it to happen and then overcome or else it's just constant posturing. And I say that as someone who thinks Brexit itself is a bad decision for everyone involved. But it is a bed that was made so to speak. They need to lie in it.
RobMc59 wrote: » This is very confusing!-Earlier Channel 4 was the shining light of truth in brexit ,with their honest,unbiased reporting -now their information is being doubted -it`s not just the UK who need to make their minds up!
Shelga wrote: I think Brexit is a monumentally stupid decision, but a second referendum, where remaining in the EU is an option, is not going to be decisive enough in any case to settle this for a generation. Brexit is a symptom, not the disease. I think they have to go through with it and feel the pain, as others have said. My worry is that they will still be blaming the EU for all of their woes, even after they’ve left.
prawnsambo wrote: » You're not understanding what I've said. They couldn't even enter the EU if they don't comply with EU standards. That's part of what the SM is about. So once they've entered the EU, they can transit anywhere within the EU. Freely. I'm not talking about customs or tariffs. NI is in the SM. UK is compliant for all goods that go to NI. UK is also in the CU. So no difference and just spot checks as normal.
charlie14 wrote: » Mc Love wrote: » Big poll now on channel, should the UK remain in our leave the EU. Remain 54 Leave 46 Massive amount in Wales changed to remain Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain so I would not see Wales making any difference unless large swathes of England swing remain. Problem again is that in that poll again only 48% of young voters would actually vote.
Mc Love wrote: » Big poll now on channel, should the UK remain in our leave the EU. Remain 54 Leave 46 Massive amount in Wales changed to remain
RobertKK wrote: » England would go remain too.
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1059548720352710656 Only a 2% increase in the remain vote in NI is a surprise.
