kuro68k wrote: » The British government is going to take it right to the cliff edge and hope that someone else compromises. Of course they have their excuses already lined up if no-one does, only real question is who they will blame.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » No deal looking ever more likely
brickster69 wrote: » Probably the UK ( forget Raab ) are concerned that if nothing happens with trade talks then the UK could be tied into the CU without the ability to leave full stop. This will not happen legally, so the EU has to ( shall ) negotiate and conclude the withdrawal agreement. They cannot abandon it , they are bound by it's own rules.
Leroy42 wrote: » How is that even possible at this stage? How can the UK be so completely clueless that they don't even seem to understand the ramifications of their own proposals? They just seem to be trying to make up new ways to say stuff.
charlie14 wrote: » It would if NI remains in the SM. This new suggestion seems to only be the UK, NI included, staying in the CU only.
charlie14 wrote: » I`m not that sure it would be as simple as that, or that the EU would even agree to a partial SM for NI. The SM rules guarantee the free movement of goods, services, capital and people. It also requires annual payment towards the EU budget as well as accepting the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. A lot of sticky points there for both the EU and the UK now and very possibly in the future for the EU to grant a partial SM to NI without some border controls.
Spook_ie wrote: » Now think UK, why would they put themselves in the same position of trusting the EU?
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » The UK signed up to TIR back in 1949 convention so it's been landbridge without customs inspections for through traffic since ages.
RobertKK wrote: » The UK has the problem it once had an empire, it no longer does, it still has people with enough influence who think they do or can have again. The only show in Europe is the EU, it is where the power is in Europe. The EU knows what it wants, the UK near 2 and half years later has not come to an agreed position, and it looks like remaining that way. Channel 4 is really good right now.
prawnsambo wrote: » Most trade agreements with the EU involve a certain amount od SM rules. That's how goods transit the EU freely after import. It's not that difficult. NI in the SM, UK just have to align on goods travelling to NI.
Rhineshark wrote: » For written press, I would still mostly trust the z Guardian. Sure, you know their position on the whole thing but they do stick to facts, bar in clearly labelled opinion pieces. I've had a couple of moments of "hm, not sure that is correct", but no "that is a bloody lie".
RobertKK wrote: » Men over 75 the C4 poll found most likely to vote for Brexit. The empire mentality generation.
charlie14 wrote: » I would agree on the Guardian, and even if I have often felt the same on opinion pieces I would not knock them on that. Our own press in that regard is often no better.
Rhineshark wrote: » Spook_ie wrote: » Now think UK, why would they put themselves in the same position of trusting the EU? Oh, the UK wont trust the EU because they expect us to act like the UK would. But they have no actual reason for their level of mistrust, all the bad dealing has been by the UK so far.
charlie14 wrote: » RobertKK wrote: » The UK has the problem it once had an empire, it no longer does, it still has people with enough influence who think they do or can have again. The only show in Europe is the EU, it is where the power is in Europe. The EU knows what it wants, the UK near 2 and half years later has not come to an agreed position, and it looks like remaining that way. Channel 4 is really good right now. Agree, but for the EU, and us especially, to get what we want, then I`m very much afraid those in the UK with that influence will put the kybosh on that. Channel 4 as I`ve said here before is the only UK TV news coverage I pass any remarks to anymore. They get to the nub of the problem and attempt to give unbiased coverage imho.
charlie14 wrote: » Goods entering a SM area from another, even one in the CU would still require customs checks. Same with NI in the SM and the rest of the UK being in the CU. You still have the four pillars of the SM, annual payments towards the EU budget plus the jurisdiction of the ECJ. I cannot see the EU agreeing to leave all those in some sort of limbo with a partial SM for NI.
charlie14 wrote: » There was a well defined pattern to their referendum vote where older voters favoured leave as opposed to younger voters favouring remain. A second referendum tomorrow and I would not see any change of any significance.
Mc Love wrote: » Over 50% think there'll be no change to their household budget which is crazy
Water John wrote: » Both Yvette Cooper yesterday and Dominic Grieve today saying they won't support a bad deal over a no deal. TM whistling in the wind. Channel 4 Poll shows 43 to 37% in favour of a 2nd Ref on the negotiated Deal v Staying in the EU.
Enzokk wrote: » I don't know, I am sure you would see a definite movement to get younger people out to vote which will make a difference. Then you see polls like this and surely the evidence points to a Remain victory if we have a new referendum.https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1059538383771451394
prawnsambo wrote: » Yes. But not if the UK is outside the CU. Then you have delays. In theory you can have TIR lanes, but the infrastructure is pretty basic at Dover and Calais right now. Hence the re-alignment of the North Sea Med corridor.
Mc Love wrote: » Big poll now on channel, should the UK remain in our leave the EU. Remain 54 Leave 46 Massive amount in Wales changed to remain
charlie14 wrote: » Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain so I would not see Wales making any difference unless large swathes of England swing remain. Problem again is that in that poll again only 48% of young voters would actually vote.
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1059548720352710656 Only a 2% increase in the remain vote in NI is a surprise.
RobertKK wrote: » England would go remain too.
