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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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Dublin Airport has planning permission to build a new parallel runway to the north of the existing main runway. The Regulator has determined that this new runway can only be funded by airport users when annual passenger volumes through Dublin Airport reach 23.5 million. Annualised passenger numbers in 2012 will be in the region of 19 million and current forecasts indicate that the 23.5 million target for bringing a new runway into operation, will be reached in or about 2019. What do you all think?

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Locker10a

Noxegon wrote: »

It's now necessary to walk through a shopping maze in terminal two before you can get to the departure lounge.

Ah so they’ve gone the way of U.K. airports then among a good few others in Europe these days

rushfan

Noxegon wrote:

It's now necessary to walk through a shopping maze in terminal two before you can get to the departure lounge.

They call it a serpentine design whereby as you walk through it , your vision is drawn to the various retail areas, with the hope that you'll be enticed in. In T2 atm, there's a refurb going on.

Idbatterim

Noxegon wrote: »

It's now necessary to walk through a shopping maze in terminal two before you can get to the departure lounge.

it is annoying but it makes so much sense for DAA and the retailers, people are so impulsive!

Noxegon

It's now necessary to walk through a shopping maze in terminal two before you can get to the departure lounge.

ozzy jr

I passed the new tower this morning. They have BAILE ÁTHA CLIA in big letters down the side of it. I'm hoping the TH will follow on Monday morning!

[Deleted User]

moloner4 wrote: »

From what I head Shamrock is to stay. I remember being told Cargo and Catering are going, I'm open to correction.

South gates will have more gates built currently where the rubbish dump and horse stables are opposite to the current stand. I think the same number of gates as the current one.

There’s an interim plan to build 5 stands on the southside. But the medium/long term plan has always been to build a pier east south easterly from T2. An actual pier in this case called pier 5. The two plans are actually separate but will be linked up as the new south stands will eventually form the ramp/stands for the pier 5 area anyway.

Jacovs

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Is there a bar after USPC in T2?

(Apart from the lounge)

Theres a tiny coffee station right next to gate 402, the first gate when coming through USPC, they serve pints too. Then further down between gate 404 and 406 is the big coffee shop that serves food and alcohol, with another smaller outlet just next to it thats sometimes a bit quieter. Also 1 coffee shop upstairs across from gate 423 that serves pints, usually the quietest of them all.

Van.Bosch

Is there a bar after USPC in T2?

(Apart from the lounge)

blackwhite

Tenger wrote: »

And those interesting "PBZ" areas. I wonder is this an new version of the current South gates?
I see that plan has the South gates replaced with a new short pier called "pier 5"

Pre-boarding zones, some of the press releases about the South gates has referred to them as PBZ already.

Nibs05

So Catering, Cargo, Shamrock house will all be demolished to make make way for this pier 5 ?, also what's the plans for the south gates regarding more stands ?

[Deleted User]

Phen2206 wrote: »

Does anybody know if T2 was built with an east pier in mind? Looking at where this supposed Pier 5 (or indeed any future variation of an east pier) is supposed to be, I'm just wondering how it will connect into the existing terminal building - i.e. has provision for this already been made when T2 was designed? Or will it be a patch-up-job like the walkway we have now from the old B gates to T2?

Always planned this way or a slight variation of it.

Phen2206

Does anybody know if T2 was built with an east pier in mind? Looking at where this supposed Pier 5 (or indeed any future variation of an east pier) is supposed to be, I'm just wondering how it will connect into the existing terminal building - i.e. has provision for this already been made when T2 was designed? Or will it be a patch-up-job like the walkway we have now from the old B gates to T2?

[Deleted User]

I wouldn’t hold out much hope for them staying around much longer than the mid 2020’s at current and further growth rates.

Jamie2k9

Don’t read to much into the pic, nothing is final. The aviation regulator will publish more detailed plans shortly.

16/34 were not going anywhere since the idea didn't go down well with stakeholders.

Chris_5339762

Well the good news with that image is that, categorically, 34 and 16 are staying put which I think is the correct decision.

There was never a clear answer to that in any of the second runway documentation that I've seen.

Kermit.de.frog

Is there really €900m of investment there?

Not sure that imagery is 100% accurate.

Wasn't it two piers - one new and one extension - on the southside of the campus desribed in the paper a few weeks back?

Tenger

trellheim wrote: »

ok found the presentation - slide 87 of http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9NDEyOTk5fENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1&cb=636767387686116875

And those interesting "PBZ" areas. I wonder is this an new version of the current South gates?
I see that plan has the South gates replaced with a new short pier called "pier 5"

Locker10a

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

"Underpass", are people expected to walk that distance? lol

Or is it for buses? Dunno.

For busses to go to remote stands

Kermit.de.frog

"Underpass", are people expected to walk that distance? lol

Or is it for buses? Dunno.

trellheim

ok found the presentation - slide 87 of http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9NDEyOTk5fENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1&cb=636767387686116875

Nijmegen

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Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Consultation on €900 million capital projects has started meanwhile IAG have criticized plans for T3 at Dublin.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/walsh-we-dont-need-third-dublin-air-terminal-37464034.html?fbclid=IwAR2fYE4lOhmnhjxQ1kGtPBlgHB6PfAN1wKuT_E27uWN4ipcdEKMgg_YYLI0

New taxiways and stands delayed by 6 months as Fingal CoCo won’t allow them be constructed under strategic airport infrastructure so they require full planning. I honestly don’t get why they need it as they don’t affect anyone outside of the airport and surely if there is a minimum requirement for stuff like rain water run off then they could monitor the construction etc to make sure they do. These are needed ASAP but now it’s looking like Q3/4 2019 for commencement and 12-18 months for construction as they will have limited windows to avoid impacting ops.

We know what a joke planning is in this country. We’re either doing it completely cowboy or we’re holding up strategic projects, ala Apple Athenry, until they go away. There’s no happy medium it seems.

trellheim

Was price made public ?

Jamie2k9

Runway contract awarded to Roadbridge ans FCC Construction.

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/daa-awards-north-runway-construction-contract-to-irish-spanish-consortium

trellheim

they say you learn something every day. Thanks for that !

Jacovs

trellheim wrote: »

spanish airline owner complains lol

Do Vueling fly to dublin ?

Yes, BCN-DUB

trellheim

IAG owns Aer Lingus, British Airways and Spanish carriers Iberia and Vueling - all of which operate at Dublin.

spanish airline owner complains lol

Do Vueling fly to dublin ?

[Deleted User]

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Consultation on €900 million capital projects has started meanwhile IAG have criticized plans for T3 at Dublin.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/walsh-we-dont-need-third-dublin-air-terminal-37464034.html?fbclid=IwAR2fYE4lOhmnhjxQ1kGtPBlgHB6PfAN1wKuT_E27uWN4ipcdEKMgg_YYLI0

New taxiways and stands delayed by 6 months as Fingal CoCo won’t allow them be constructed under strategic airport infrastructure so they require full planning. I honestly don’t get why they need it as they don’t affect anyone outside of the airport and surely if there is a minimum requirement for stuff like rain water run off then they could monitor the construction etc to make sure they do. These are needed ASAP but now it’s looking like Q3/4 2019 for commencement and 12-18 months for construction as they will have limited windows to avoid impacting ops.

Jamie2k9

Consultation on €900 million capital projects has started meanwhile IAG have criticized plans for T3 at Dublin.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/walsh-we-dont-need-third-dublin-air-terminal-37464034.html?fbclid=IwAR2fYE4lOhmnhjxQ1kGtPBlgHB6PfAN1wKuT_E27uWN4ipcdEKMgg_YYLI0

trellheim

Yes, I forgot the prep and the footprints to get you prepped. Sorry. However, I cant help but feel that the belt throughput is still the limiting factor.

Chris_5339762

No, Gatwick have far better designed preparation areas in the queue. You have seven different people standing getting their case ready and their stuff out and they can go into the metal detectors in any order. There are another seven queueing behind them.

Ok, so you still only have one xray scanner which negates this a little... but it still has a much higher throughput that Dublin. There are also plenty of wide places to pick up your trays and put them so you can get your stuff back in after security. Little steps to put your feet on so you can put your shoes back on etc etc.

If you want a model of airport security, look at Gatwick. They even had a comments board after security for a while for people to write on, all the staff seem friendly there. Its the little things.