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Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

Also Starring LeVar Burton

New 10-Part Documentary on Netflix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxgbdYaR_KQ

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StringerBell

Worse than a rapist or a murderer? Not too many things worse you can think of in civilised society surely? Other than kiddie fiddler.

Anyway, whatever about Avery, I am still not sure if he is guilty or innocent, I am sure he was railroaded. Brendan on the other hand is collateral damage in all honesty but it is tragic that he has spent his life behind bars on the back of a dodgy confession.

Even if you say you believe his confession, which one do you believe? Which version? How can you have any faith when he is plainly just feeling around in the dark looking to guess the right answers, sometimes being spoonfed them, so that he can go home. That he thought he would be able to go home at all shows how little understanding he had of the situation and it is just ridiculous he was allowed to be interviewed under such circumstance.

Whatever SA did or did not do the law and order side of the table doesn't look very good in how they conduct themselves, there is way too much at stake though for them to ever give in here and not just financially. Imagine the amount of appeals that would be lodged, the amount of beyond a doubt scumbags who would be back on the street because of testimony or evidence that would then be compromised and used to get these people out.

You are talking about a systemic problem here and though it would have only taken a couple of guys to begin the plot to railroad Avery, there is little doubt that once it became big news and had a big spotlight put on it the higher ups in the departments would not want this stink on them so have no option to but to brazen it out come what may. Its still a big ask to consider so many people involved in a cover up and frame job but when it boils down to it, its actually not that big a number that would need to be on a need to know basis. Others can be kept in the dark and used without them needing to know everything.

I would be in favour of a retrial for both men.

Uncharted

In the light of fresh information building over the last 5years, and a superior lawyer in Avery's team tearing the old case apart(Zellner) and old evidence practically debunked,I agree that both men should be retrialed.

If they are found to be guilty,well and good.

RocketRaccoon

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

He’s one of the most stupidest people I’ve ever laid eyes on. I still feel sorry for him though, his uncle ruined his life. Now be a good boy and jog on.

Edit- let’s not forget he’s a convicted murderer and rapist either in the eyes of the law so I’m pretty sure the Halbach family would call him a lot worse

"one of the most stupidest people"

Oh the irony.

Commanchie

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

"one of the most stupidest people"

Oh the irony.

He has invented his own language, And sentence structures.

Potential Underachiever

Change your name to Pissed McStagger

Tipsy McSwagger

I’m loving it guys, keep it up. The little group of Avery lovers in here are like a Rat King scurrying everywhere, bullying posters with opposing opinions out of the thread. There will be no retrial, no release for Avery, Zellner will move on after she makes her money towards more plastic surgery, there is no smoking gun. Case Closed.

runningbuddy

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I’m loving it guys, keep it up. The little group of Avery lovers in here are like a Rat King scurrying everywhere, bullying posters with opposing opinions out of the thread. There will be no retrial, no release for Avery, Zellner will move on after she makes her money towards more plastic surgery, there is no smoking gun. Case Closed.

Can't see Avery or Dassey ever getting out. If Dassey was released, Avery's case would automatically collapse. The state would be financially crippled with compensation.

If Avery is not guilty, he is one of the unluckiest men on the planet

Avery has a history of violence against women. "Maybe" he planned to kill TH, thinking he could get away with it after his wrongful conviction, the police under so much speculation, etc.... and it backfired on him.

Either way, I doubt we will ever get to the truth.

Tipsy McSwagger

runningbuddy wrote: »

Can't see Avery or Dassey ever getting out. If Dassey was released, Avery's case would automatically collapse. The state would be financially crippled with compensation.

If Avery is not guilty, he is one of the unluckiest men on the planet

Avery has a history of violence against women. "Maybe" he planned to kill TH, thinking he could get away with it after his wrongful conviction, the police under so much speculation, etc.... and it backfired on him.

Either way, I doubt we will ever get to the truth.

He hid his number to get Teresa out there because she was afraid of him. He talked about her in the past tense the night she went missing. He’s guilty alright and also guilty of ruining his nephews life.

PokeHerKing

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

He hid his number to get Teresa out there because she was afraid of him. He talked about her in the past tense the night she went missing. He’s guilty alright and also guilty of ruining his nephews life.

Yeah I'm sure as she drove down Avery road to Avery Auto salvage she thought " at least I'm not going to meet that Stephen Avery guy"

Go home Tipsy , you're drunk.

pixelburp

mod: I said there'd be cards. What part of "play nice" are people incapable of understanding? If you can't debate civily without resorting to insults and snark, maybe this thread isn't for you.

8-10

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I’m loving it guys, keep it up. The little group of Avery lovers in here are like a Rat King scurrying everywhere, bullying posters with opposing opinions out of the thread. There will be no retrial, no release for Avery, Zellner will move on after she makes her money towards more plastic surgery, there is no smoking gun. Case Closed.

Does she not only get paid if he's exonerated and wins a civil case? He's a pro-bono client right? (I'm not sure how it works but I figured she was paying all legal fees)

runningbuddy

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Yeah I'm sure as she drove down Avery road to Avery Auto salvage she thought " at least I'm not going to meet that Stephen Avery guy"

Go home Tipsy , you're drunk.

Did he every give an explanation as to why he hid his number?? I can't recall although I did watch the documentary :pac:

runningbuddy

8-10 wrote: »

Does she not only get paid if he's exonerated and wins a civil case? He's a pro-bono client right? (I'm not sure how it works but I figured she was paying all legal fees)

The millions (can't remember exact figure) he was due after the initial wrongful conviction would have to be paid out for starters.

Uncharted

8-10 wrote: »

Does she not only get paid if he's exonerated and wins a civil case? He's a pro-bono client right? (I'm not sure how it works but I figured she was paying all legal fees)

I can't see Zellner cutting the Aldi vouchers out of the Sunday World anytime soon lads....

She's minted,and the publicity from the Netflix show will raise her already high profile to stratospheric heights.

Tipsy McSwagger

runningbuddy wrote: »

Did he every give an explanation as to why he hid his number?? I can't recall although I did watch the documentary :pac:

He hid his number because Teresa was afraid of him. On the day she went out to the Avery compound she thought she was going to see Avery’s sister who was selling her car.

runningbuddy

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

He hid his number because Teresa was afraid of him. On the day she went out to the Avery compound she thought she was going to see Avery’s sister who was selling her car.

Thanks Tipsy....Did Avery actually explain why he hid his number?? I don't recall ever seeing him explain that.

That poor girl.

Tipsy McSwagger

8-10 wrote: »

Does she not only get paid if he's exonerated and wins a civil case? He's a pro-bono client right? (I'm not sure how it works but I figured she was paying all legal fees)

Yes she is Pro bono, but she took the case because of its high profile. She will make a ton of money no matter what happens.

runningbuddy

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Yes she is Pro bono, but she took the case because of its high profile. She will make a ton of money no matter what happens.

LOL, wouldn't be too worried about Zellner's finances :pac:.

Love how she comes across though. She's a fascianting character.

marklazarcovic

Has form,best ignored

Tipsy McSwagger

runningbuddy wrote: »

Thanks Tipsy....Did Avery actually explain why he hid his number?? I don't recall ever seeing him explain that.

That poor girl.

I think he said he called her and she didn’t answer so he hid his number to see if she would then answer.

You have to look at it like this, Steven Avery is a very disturbed man. He was on his own in that trailer, his girlfriend who he he was violent to was away. He was stewing, he wanted a woman, he knew of a woman that he liked, Teresa. She was afraid of him because the last time she called out he answered the door wearing only a towel. He called the magazine she worked for, he asked for her, he left his sisters name. Teresa called out there and Steven Avery admitted she was there, that was the last sighting of Teresa.

Tipsy McSwagger

runningbuddy wrote: »

LOL, wouldn't be too worried about Zellner's finances :pac:.

Love how she comes across though. She's a fascianting character.

She’s very scary looking and intimidating, I wouldn’t like her as an enemy.

runningbuddy

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

She’s very scary looking and intimidating, I wouldn’t like her as an enemy.

God no. I would like her in my corner. Not the opposite.

Does anyone else think she looks like Michael Jackson (post surgery)?

Tipsy McSwagger

runningbuddy wrote: »

God no. I would like her in my corner. Not the opposite.

Does anyone else think she looks like Michael Jackson (post surgery)?

Yup I said that in an earlier post.

runningbuddy

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Yup I said that in an earlier post.

LOL, thought it was just me. Even though she's a hard ass lawyer. There is something quite warm/quirky about her.

Tipsy McSwagger

runningbuddy wrote: »

LOL, thought it was just me. Even though she's a hard ass lawyer. There is something quite warm/quirky about her.

I’m 2 eps into the new season and you can see how she got so many innocent men freed.

Talking of this season. If you watch it look out for anytime Kratz is on screen they play shady evil music with close ups of him smiling, when Avery is talking on the phone it’s lovely sweet music.

inforfun

runningbuddy wrote: »

God no. I would like her in my corner. Not the opposite.

Does anyone else think she looks like Michael Jackson (post surgery)?

From the 1st episode of Se02 i thought i was watching Major Crimes again when seeing Zellner.
Not just the looks, but also the way she talks.

Commanchie

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I’m 2 eps into the new season and you can see how she got so many innocent men freed.

Talking of this season. If you watch it look out for anytime Kratz is on screen they play shady evil music with close ups of him smiling, when Avery is talking on the phone it’s lovely sweet music.

Show me a clip when SA is on the phone and Lovely sweet music is playing.

Uncharted

?? ..... This thread has disappeared down a weird rabbithole....

Mountainsandh

Uncharted wrote: »

I can't see Zellner cutting the Aldi vouchers out of the Sunday World anytime soon lads....

She's minted,and the publicity from the Netflix show will raise her already high profile to stratospheric heights.

The last guy she defended got $11 M compensation. The question is, how much did she get out of that ?
I don't think we need an answer really. Good for her, she deserves every penny she gets.

Mountainsandh

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I think he said he called her and she didn’t answer so he hid his number to see if she would then answer.
.

That makes sense. The Averys know well nobody liked them around the area. How does that show malicious intent ?

When I've someone calling up to my place to, I don't know, deliver a parcel, fix something... I like to know what time exactly they'll be coming.

The towel thing Kratz says himself in his book that SA was coming out of the kiddies pool at the back. All of a sudden it's a lot less sleazy.

Plus, sleazy does not a murderer make. Look at Kratz sure.